Showing posts with label GBC. Show all posts
Showing posts with label GBC. Show all posts

Monday, August 9, 2010

GBC,GHQ,Parallels

Found this on Bhagavan's site, but not written by him, rather feedback from another-

>>On the other side, the GHQ, right wind followers of Prabhupada were defending the absolute value of every one of his words, so they were pushing the sexist approach as a absolute value. Jahnu das and his wife from Mayapur were so staunch in defending this view. At the end, the GHQ won the political fight and was able to supress the pamho conference. They went to the GBC and said that Dhyanakunda from northern countries offended Srila Prabhupada and Lord Ramacandra, critisizing Him because of His rejection of Sita after hearing people speaking bad of her.

So, that was more or less the map there. I think it is the same discussion with new robes and names.<<<

Frightening to observe our own ISKCON authorities unable to defeat the GHQ in the political arena, or any and all arena's, considering thier many offenses.


Is it because someone be from Mayapur India, it impress authorities, thinking them to have more knowledge than Prabhupada?

Should these couples want to live this style of marriage is their business and their privilege. To insist everyone be married as they are married, be nonsense. It also is conflicting to what Prabhupada speaks of - the privacy of marriage.

GBC's curiosity or flirting with maya (open minded, it is not), be dangerous. May result in changing everything from the way established by the purest of the pure, Srila Prabhupada. Authorities, be strong enough to resist such temptations. That GBC loans GHQ married couples an ear, reveals to regular devotee population, some ISKCON authorities believe women are less intelligent to a fault.

Then they wonder why women leave the temples.

The other comment, I be of same opinion- "its the same discussion with new names." Complicatons be, in these times, provides power of the internet for bullies to unite and become more influential then in the past. Save for iskcon authorities to mature and regain their (proper) power and respect from masses of devotees servinge in temples they govern (not GHQ places, they have no temples, though will infiltrate), this will persist.

Maybe we need to take lessons from the GHQ. Apparently isckon authorities do not respect when women do it right and in accord with scripture. However, GHQ who call women places to pee, or play with and returned to shelf, never take seriously; that, iskcon authorities next allow them a voice that effects the rest of us?

The Women's Ministry tries, and had success. Nonetheless, always someone there, GHQ or ISKCON authority, to shoot them down. Perhaps women need something not so nice, not as horrid as the GHQ, but it seems to be strength that is respected more than accuracy, or good devotee nevermind gender, or Prabhupada’s full unadulterated philosophy.

They boast their scriptural evidence, but more often its taken out of context, or other trickery. Did not the GBC perceive this? Did they not notice while Prabhupada spoke such words simultaneously his actions were different from what 'they' understand or think he should have done?

If true, then maybe they do not understand either, or be as advanced as proclaimed, which is what granted them authority position. Perhaps also are thinking themselves mechanically more spiritually advanced merely due to male body parts? Otherwise, why they let GHQ have even a voice? They must concur.

So wonder not, dear GBC, why women give up you. Not Krishna, but you. They leave iskcon, you have no more servant of the Lord in many temples because they are sick of hearing unreality presented as what's soundly operating in the world seen under their very nose.

Does any authority climb down out of ivory towers or look out their window at what makes the world factually go 'round, or visit a female lawyer, a lady dentist, or notice women who are architects, police officers, fire fighters?

This is not feminism; if they can do it, it is their nature and not feminism! Regardless she be putting gauze over childs wound or a nurse in hospital - she is nurturing. Regardless she be putting out the candle flame her son light and forgot as it drips to the floor, or is extinguishing larger flame as firefighter - she is saving.

Feminism is not outward, it's inward. It's a state of mind. One can not know without asking her "what is your puropse?" Otherwise they be speculating. Not eacj woman can do these things or has desire, but if she can, it should be unimportant. Balanced woman are too busy for these competitions between genders. Men who can't do what she can, should discontinue their envy of women. Its very off-putting and makes you look bad.

At any rate, ISKCON or GHQ, quoting to prove bodily concept superiority and lifestyles, they might think to be strict followers of Srila Prabhupada's words. He also gave wordis they dislike and hide from. Srila Prabhupada wasn't afraid to go with the times. Who thinks they be so advanced as to follow a method for different times or yuga? Arrogance.

Nothing woman are asking, contradicts Srila Prabhupada, nothing. It coexists with his preachings better than misogyny.

Prabhupada was not afraid to make changes, devotees were afraid to accept them, often challgenging specific changes. Those devotees now be authorities and more.

No justification to change anything of Srila Prabhupada’s, only the pure devote can instruct for change. This is to distinguish where practicality works, realistically what be functional, and how Prabhupada used everything in Krishna's service. KRISHNA'S.

Does it require too much of a level of humility for authorities to admit women not be inferior lower birth? Then where is their level of genuine advancement? Do they not read Prabhupada's letters to women and see his equal treatment of them, and opportunities for them?

How did Malati devi dasi become a GBC member if not for what Prabhupada himself spoke on women and GBC position? Nevermind that GBC themselves mistreated her, evidence they too have huge ego and can not take instructions or hear from woman. Have they ignored Prabhupada's letter to Jaudarani devi dasi: "I am very glad to learn that Muralidhara, Devahuti and Bharadraja are working together. You simply supervise them." L.A., 14 Jan 70 Possibly GBC believe in woman inferiority. Nonethelss, Malati would not have been granted position of first woman GBC unless for the existing proof from Srila Prahupada.

Prabhupada's instructs according to time, place and circumstance. This should outshine fanatical rules that don't function in this day and age of Kali yuga. Men too. In order to practice all these rules for 'less intelligent' women, man must be highly qualified as almost a pure devotee. In kali yug, every one is sudra, men no exception. Anyone can elevate themselves, women no exception.

Must the ladies perhaps start something pushy, like the GHQ? Be it only then shall woman be heard?

Simply don't stoop as low as their own low level. Women, find your assertiveness, try not feel offended when they name-call, they are trying to put you out of action. Know any who speak of you like that, is not very adanced devotee.

Bhagavad-gita says, the weaker will follow example of the stronger. Since GBC gives a ear to GHQ, maybe we should follow example of GHQ and be more agressive, just like them.

No, don't do exactly. Yet think. Are they not setting such examples? Are devotees like Vrajabhumi all ready and automatically doing like this because some gurus authorities and ghq have a lot in common?

ISKCON, make the changes, before the internet makes them for you.





Wednesday, July 21, 2010

International GBC Statement Reaffirming Vaishnava Respect for Women

by The GBC Executive Committee

May 29, 2008

(Below this read: "HUMBLE MESSAGE TO THE GBC")

Dear Devotees,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Please find attached a statement from the GBC Executive Committee on respect for women.

While there are different opinions on the best roles for women in society and how the Vedic culture is to be applied today, I think we all agree that we must be careful to be respectful to all Vaishnavas in both our deeds and words.

Your servant,Ramai SwamiGBC Chairman

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International GBC Statement Reaffirming Vaishnava Respect for Women, May 26, 2008

Today we live in a world that is full of war, strife, hatred and exploitation between people. It is a world based on a bodily conception of life that categorizes and then mistreats living beings on the basis of race, gender, national origin, religion, etc.

The Krishna consciousness movement teaches a higher guiding principle based upon the soul. We offer to the world a panacea: We can live together peacefully only when we respect each other as individual spiritual beings, part and parcel of God. All living beings are eternal, all are sacred, and all--in their essence--are equally dear to the Supreme Lord.

To effectively teach this principle, members of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness need to be vigilant that it be properly understood and practiced within our own society and among our members. We must believe in the principle of loving, respecting, and caring for all beings as parts and parcels of Lord Krishna.

It is our sacred duty to teach, speak, and live the principles of humility and respect for all, as taught by Lord Caitanya and our Founder-Acarya, Srila Prabhupada. We must also speak out against deviations from those principles.

In 1998, the North American GBC/Temple Presidents Executive Committee found it necessary to speak out against an email conference that claimed to be founded on Vaishnava teachings that was belittling and demeaning to women. It minimized the contributions of women, and failed to fully appreciate the role women play in our society, our families, and our temples. (See Appendix 1 below.)

Today, the International GBC Executive Committee is disturbed to learn that a blog site claiming affiliation with ISKCON, and using "Hare Krishna" in its name, has included sexist and misogynist statements. Such writings are not authorized, and they are against the principles of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness and our Vaishnava culture.

We condemn any effort to minimize the contributions and importance of women in our society. Instead, we offer the women of our society the highest respect. Women are of great value to our Vaishnava community, and have made immeasurable, indispensable, and saintly contributions as mothers, daughters, wives, pujaris, priests, teachers, and leaders.

We call upon all members of ISKCON to be living examples of the highest respect and appreciation for all living beings and to resist any temptations towards disrespect or prejudice.

Your servants,
The GBC Executive Committee

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Appendix 1

1998 Statement by the North American Executive Officers
The North American GBC/Temple President Executive Officers wish to voice our strong disapproval of, and our protest against, the demeaning and ill intended statements made by some members of the GHQ com conference that were recently brought to public attention.

It is our firm position that Srila Prabhupada, the Founder-Acarya of ISKCON, intended his Hare Krishna Movement to be free from all prejudice, sexism, racism and other forms of bigotry.

We affirm that the first and foremost principle of our society is that all people (indeed all sentient beings) are eternal, sacred parts and parcels of the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna, and as such should be respected and affirmed in their individual relationship with the Lord, as well as their service to guru and Krishna.

Multiple statements made by members of this Internet conference ridicule, berate and vilify women, other minorities, and individual Vaishnava devotees. They document an organized attempt to prevent women from their God-given rights of self-expression and service to Srila Prabhupada. We denounce such views. They are opposed to the core values and principles of Vaishnava culture which upholds the devotional offerings of all souls as sacred and worthy of our respect and protection.

While we endorse open debate and dialogue within our Krishna Consciousness movement, we must speak out against any discussion that crosses the line of decency, morality, and Vaishnava etiquette and supports an agenda to exploit or minimize a section of our society.

Bir Krishna Goswami, ChairpersonAnuttama DasaSudharma DasiVraja Lila Dasi


Appendix 2
Women in ISKCONInternational GBC Resolution March 2000

WHEREAS, the Women's Ministry presentation on March 1st, 2000 to the GBC Body brought a clearer understanding of the mistakes of the past and the need to provide equal and full opportunity for devotional service for all devotees in ISKCON, regardless of gender, and

WHEREAS, it is clearly following in our line that all people are welcome to join Lord Caitanya's sankirtana movement and are capable of developing full love of God, and

WHEREAS, it is our belief that many of the social issues that confront us are exacerbated because the voice of our women, who are the mothers and daughters of our Krsna conscious family, have been hushed and stifled due to misinterpretation of our Vaisnava philosophy, and thus the human and interpersonal needs of our devotees have been minimized,

THEREFORE IT IS RESOLVED THAT:
501 [STATEMENT] 1. The members of the Governing Body Commission of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness offer their humble apologies to the women of Srila Prabhupada's society who, because of our own shortcomings and those of the Society, have suffered due to a lack of protection, support, facility and appreciation for their service, devotion and vast contributions to the Society, and

2. [ACTION] All GBC Body members and other leaders shall hold istagosthis [meetings] in each of their respective temples to establish the priority of providing equal facilities, full encouragement and genuine care and protection for the women members of ISKCON. Also, separate meetings should be held with the leaders and women of each temple to address the women's needs and concerns,

Women's Participation 19 [LAW]
A. All ISKCON temples are to allow all qualified devotees, regardless of gender, to speak on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, etc. during the regular temple class.

B. All ISKCON temples designate half of the temple room area, divided in the center from the altar, for the ladies.

C. If the management in a particular temple feels it is unable to implement these proposals, the Executive Committee will appoint a small team of senior devotees, including women, to sensitively review the particular local situation.

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HUMBLE MESSAGE TO THE GBC

Good start. Returning to devotional methods in accordance with Srila Prabhupada's instructions and example.

It' is fortunate the GBC "disapproves" of the GHQ. Next, they need to come out and "officially" detach & renouce the GHQ, and misogyny in general. These are materialsim, at best weak spiritual life filled with pleasures of much sex, empowerment from hitting or screaming *hore upon women. GHQ are bad practitioners of
Varnashrama-dharam, and do not follow Srila Prabhuapda's higher instructions much.

All ties to GHQ need to be dropped, as we've witness some authorities
slipped down the cracks into agreement with them. They perhaps all ready be like this, allow the bad association of GHQ and it will contaminate them further. Then they will give trouble, as in this link just posted, to Prabhupada's highest instructions, make offenses to women, change the Movement.

GHQ should not be a secret, or 'subtle,' branch of ISKCON. They want your job, GBC don't kid yourself. Why do you thihnk they try to be your friends? They're
not your friends. They want what you do. Believe it or find it startling, as they're specialists. Their friendship is trickery, to gain power and control. They engage like this regularly, always for a purpose. Thought it could never happen to you? It could happen to anyone.

While GBC, you're record isn't clean, or you may enjoy the challange to see who can be the better manipulator; at least you are aligned to Prabhupada's program, how he wanted devotional functioning of temples and devotees. Is it really worth the gamble to associate with GHQ for a challenge while the women (and children they want to marry), suffer? One GHQ website supported marriage of 11 year old girl to old man based on religion. If the public realizes Iskcon tolerates this, it may get that recognition in national and worldwide news.

Certain authorities have email exchanges with GHQ individuals, agree with them about women, not needing to belong to their organization for that, naturally. Therefore relations with them must be officially ended by anyone who wants to be in position of an authority of ISKCON. GHQ are knowingly or unknowingly spiritual abusers. All women understand, if there's serious abuse, she must find a way (safely) to cut off all ties. Similarly the soul of each authority is at risk if they do not 100% cut off all ties to them. As men in positions of power, no need to worry for safety.

Only the highest instructions of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada instructions to be followed in ISKCON, and GHQ group itself officially denouced. Will we ever see the day? Are the GBC strong enough? Women need to hear this, so do their good husbands and sons.



Is it a possibility GBC does not want to get further involved because its difficult to make every single Iskcon authority cut off ties, emails, etc? This is akin to someone informing a Police Officer to "Stop that gang beating of a boy accross the street," and the Officer replies "I don't want to get involved." Then who else will? Its their job. With all due respect, GBC members, you get paid to get involved. At least try, try hard, and don't quit on us.

"This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya." -Srila Prabhupad letter to Madhudvisa Aug 4, 1975

Polygamists may have once been fixed up devotees, but maya has come over them with a gusto of power. They are blind to it, women are suffering from it. Their incessant preaching of that is their priority instead of Sankirtana; consequently calling us temptress. These men have low standards: sex and power, wanting to slowly infiltrate the Movement. Misogynists (which incluces, but not limited to, polygamists) are tearing down women spirts, blocking her, making its difficult for women to continue practicing her Krishna consciousness according to Srila Prabhupada's instructions. Women try, and surprisingly do well, under the circumstances. Not the circumstances Prabhupada had us surrounded by, certainly.

We are appealing to you GBC, grant protection from the terrorizing GHQ, fully denouce them both for ISKCON and personally, visably and publicly. Not doing like this may bring loss of half the population, women, who do much of the service in temples, thus going away from loss of faith in GBC due to siding with the enemy. They 'are' in such a mood ("General" "'Headquarters"), and perfectly fine using dishonesty. No more wishy-washy. Anyone attracted to abuse women and children is enemy.


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Facts: Aparadhi GHQ
http://womeninkrsnaconsciousness.blogspot.com/2010/07/aparadhi-ghq.html

Saturday, June 26, 2010

No Consequences for Misogynists?

http://www.chakra.org/discussions/WomenJun01_08.html

No Consequences for Misogynists?
by Name withheld

Posted June 1, 2008

It has now been nearly two weeks (or a month if one counts Dandavats' publication of the minutes of the Mayapura meetings and comments on Resolution 311) since the matter of his disciple's repugnant "Hare Krishna Diary" was brought to Bhakti Vikasa Swami's attention. Plenty of time, one would think, for a contemplative assessment of the incredible damage this blog has done in ways too numerous to even count. But has the worldwide Society of devotees heard one single word of contrition from Maharaja, what to speak of any sort of apology? No. Not a single word. And the "Hare Krishna Diary" goes on and on, taking Srila Prabhupada's statements out of context as an excuse to vilify and oppress women and to insult and alienate numerous other Vaisnavas who strive to serve the sankirtana movement of Lord Caitanya.

And now added to the sexist propaganda is this statement from Hare Krishna Diary reader Shivananda dasa (Joshua Minshew) which could even be construed as a thinly-veiled threat: "I have to say that I more than 1000% agree with your position and I have a growing vendetta against these feminists at Chakra.org. I am very angry that those feminists forced you to take down your blog and I am very seriously considering creating a new blog with your old material as well as with material that I have been gathering myself." "Vendetta"? One definition of that word is, "a feud in which members of the opposing parties murder each other."

Therefore, in light of all this, one is left with no other choice than to conclude that Bhakti Vikasa Swami approves of women being referred to as "whores," "prostitutes" and "animals," that he approves of threatening language used against them, and that he approves of how his extremist "teachings" have been assimilated by his faithful disciple and are now being propagated to a worldwide audience via the Internet.

And therefore, one is left with no other choice than to ask, "What is going on with ISKCON?" We as a Society have barely even begun to recover from the same distortions imposed, contrary to the example personally set by Srila Prabhupada himself, by philosophically unsound men in the 1970's.....and again in the 1990's with the infamous and distasteful GHQ debacle. Now, in 2008, we've got ISKCON-authorized "initiating gurus," such as Bhakti Vikasa Swami, who has repeatedly crossed the GBC's radar for similar misconduct, training up a whole new generation of young men with the same distorted and poisonous misogynistic attitudes? And the GBC is allowing it? We have a serious problem here.