GBC Disagree-Will Mayapur Revist?

(The Mayapura meeting has come and gone, with nothing mentioned. Faith in them is down the drain. What a shame they did not take the need to fully renounce the GHQ 100%, as something very serious. I shall sit and wait for the eventual lawsuits or different serious problems to arise. If they be smart, they may reopen the case. Though another year for them to reopen and reexamine it, not something I plan on waiting. Hope they dont wait for the yearly meetings to make these changes, there can always be hope some temple president on his own will be strong in the face of the GHQ abusers, bewilderers of Prabhupada's program. A a temple authority by himself could ban each one he knows. If real fortunate an independant GBC member may also come out of the depths of minimizing the importance of this, and start to speak up against the GHQ. It seems too many authorities are either cowards, or agree but keep it silent. The point here has been made, its never to late for them to continue to rectify. If they want to maintain followers of GBC, good idea to do so and not make all wait for the next Mayapura meeting. I'll be practicing Krishna consciousness independantly, but with hopes these changes get made, maybe when I'm not even looking.) GBC Disagree-Will Mayapur Revist? With the upcoming Mayapur meetings, this post is in hopes Governing Board or GBC will not ignore, will not say "we've all ready done this," but sees this real problem was left in limbo, incomplete. This post is to recognize the vast difference between what is preached by GHQ and what is preached by Prabhupada, then asking authorities brave enough to take protective measures not only for the sake of women and children, but also for the sake to keep Srila Prabhupada's Movement pure, and as he wanted it. Remember when there was abuse in old gurukula schools? Surely abusers could come up with quotes and phrases to appease those who investigated them. Its not hard, an easy decoy. Did GBC agree with 'some' preachings from Dallas teachers during that abuse? Sexually molestations? Did GBC take too long to intervene because they allowed themselves to listen to misused scriptural quotes from child molesters? Learn from this history. Do not now repeat it now on women. Restorers that women are adults. However, that potion is mostly removed from the abused woman. Money and power taken away so he can do whatever he wants but she can hardly breathe. Told she will become a *hore unless she agrees with a misogyny husband. She's also constantly reminded to have no more intelligent than a 14 year old boy. Different quotes of her intelligence are avoided, both to her, and to you. GBC we implore you, don't be fanatical to avoid Mayapur discussion of this topic again. No one is beating GBC, or raping GBC's daughters. Show you are not selfish by taking care of the little people. Additional difficultiy arises when it is women and not children. With child abuse, if an authority is not a pedophile like the offender, or is unlike other offenders curel and physically or mentally abusive, it became easier to confront and resolve. However in kali yug while everyone is suppose to be celibate, too many are not, or try yet struggle. No judgement. Practically all men need a wife at lesat for subtities in life. Some don't, but if in truth (not abusing woman due to his celibacy but actually happy in his celibacy), generaully even authorities require a woman in their life, and if its not turning out to be marital bliss, they may have difficulty standing up for women, being more drawn to getting 'her' under control, rather than looking if he contributes any problems to the marriage. Marriage is a purifying ashrama after all, meaning two need purification, not just one. However, then marches in the GHQ, savor of their day, justifying cruely toward woman, in hidden wording and sneaky actions. Thus we hope any authority with woman issues too, humbles themselves by resolving marital problems through healthy ways, not align with ghq woman-haters quick fix now. (Bullying.) Scary consequences upon time of death.

If GBC still agrees with some GHQ beliefs, we the other half (& more) of the ISKCON, suggest those particular GBC members are no longer qualified because:

• Because it reveals GBC is under bodily concept of life, without a doubt.


• Because agreeing with GHQ gives GBC extra unnecessary power & control over women.


• Whereas genuinely qualified authority all ready have proper power and control, does not need to steal it using methods of the weak, or materialistic techniques. GBC should already have spiritual strength to inspire others want to do what is right, or to maintain.


• Because agreement with some misogynists beliefs include: attention only to misogynists philosophical good points and ignoring bad points. Hashing it out: something be good, something be bad, results in too much time spent on the mental platform when Prabhupada has all ready made it clear. Surrender to his method, otherwise interim, abuse will continue.

While authorities pat each other on the back, protecting themselves (men), and not women as Prabhupada instructed their duty as an aturhtory, endlessness of child and woman abuse continues with GHQ friends. It will infect iskcon if iskcon does nothing, or takes their sweet old time to FULLY RENOUNCE the GHQ. We never see Prabhupada treat women in the ways some misogynists iskcon authorities 'agree' with GHQ. Therefore some GBC members have become contaminated, and quiety use little shifts philosophically to make others think this was what Prabhuapda promoted, when we see the opposite. It is not how he acted at all. Over time possibly using quotes unearthed (out of context) by GHQ "buddies" to justify.

However GHQ hase big lying propensity. Look at the many letters Srila Prabhupada wrote to his female disciples and see if there is any inferiror lesser treatment. What is found are instructions how to be transcendenal to any material body, to be Krishna conscious. Therefore some gbc, the misogynist ones, have now convinced many devotees inferiority toward women is Prabhupada's way, but that not true, becasue it is THEIR way.

* GBC, remember that GHQ will always want to overthrow ISKCON, they desire to marry (sex up) underaged minors, look downward upon Latinos and blacks, ghq believe in wife beating, & in society of celibate initiates they believe in rape of wife, and in polygamy (you 'know' they are having lots of sex, wake up if you don't), ghq blames their sins on Prabhupada as if he authorized and wanted it. Consciousness of GHQ is very low and degrading to the Movement. They're also ruining Prabhupada's reputation on the internet. Where he once was the guru of love and revealing God as beautiful Krsna, he is now known as a promoter of misogyny!

Mr. GBC, do you really want conncections with them? If so, keep only 'disagreeing' with them, & when they start to show up on "Sex Offender Lists," or arrested by a neighbor who saw something weird, things beyond control, and somewhat due you never preaching them out of maya or next renouncing all connection with them, then ISKCON authorities will be legally considered some form or other of an accomplice. Hope you have extra cash for lawsuits. Regardless how the results turn either way, they're an accident waiting to happen.

Since that has all ready been forewarned, maybe not so bad if it happens. Maybe what it takes to get you to climb out of ivory towers with high pay checks, and see the way the rest of us live, so many who hang on your words and making of laws, waiting for relief. The rest whom you are suppose to be getting pay checks to take care and protect. If you continue to not do so, don't be surprised if some devotee family member becomes willing to go to court as a witness if needed. WAKE UP, we don't want that to happen. Therefore FULLY disagree with GHQ and get them out of our hair too.

Put distance between yourself and the bizarre GHQ, or somehow or other, it will backfire and karmically find you.

For goodness-sake, stop making us wait around until the proper time or the perfect meeting. Get moving before its YOUR sister, wife they mean-mouth or call *hore, your child, or the child or your child -that these ghq get their muddy hands on. You can't protect all your family members on an individual basis, but have much more power to achieve that collectively, as a GBC member.

Remove GHQ with legal paperwork, from anything connected to isckon, or you too become supporters of these polygamists pedophiles, Narcissists, or criminals.

If GBC refuse to do these things, maybe GBC should no longer be given paychecks until they do their job. Maybe some GBC are also woman-haters and therefore unqualified to be leader GBC. How many misogynist GBC do we have? Wonder why the Movement doesn't flourish? There's one good reason. Many GBC only "disagree" with some parts of woman-hater GHQ preachings, because other parts, such as the misogynistic parts, they agree!

Enough is enough. How long GBC you think everyone will put up disguised woman hatred. Not a great disguise, we see through it easily.

Calling all GBC misogynists, please step down, or will qualified GBC please remove these misogynists? No more statements of: "we disagree," but fully disagree, or give up position. Either it pays to do that, or you're a misogynists like the ghq.

Much GBC power comes from the people. When the people stop believing in you, gradually you will loose. The people with female children are sick of it.

After writings before on this blog, godsisters and their husbands logging complaints to GBC about merely "disagreeing" with the GHQ (what a slap in the face women felt when GBC said like this!), I too am loosing faith in you. Thus Mr. GBC either do your job or get off the pot. Rid yourselves of ideas of ghq as right, remember how that didn't work for child abusers justifying their sins with Prabhupada's words, and detach from GHQ's bad association, or step down. All ideas should come from Prabhupada, no need to read selective quoting of GHQ as if they are your authority. GBC, for every crisis that manifests, you take too long to resolve. They often would not have to rise to the platform of crisis if you renounced politico, got up, and did your service to protect the devotees. Thus GBC, this is the latest opportunity. Do it now and save grace.

If you keep right on merely "disagreeing," next devotee families will keep right on moving out. We do not bloop but remain devotees of Krishna in safer environment, as we don't need you to be a devotee of Krishna, but we would rather have you , if you did right by us.

Directly read and take instruction from Prabhuapda's writings and notice too how he truthfully treated women.

Everyone thinks they are so smart with University degrees, yet Prabhupada himself used the same words GHQ uesed (misuse) , but never do we see him to abuse women or children, or anyone.

What's obvious to the sincere, to the humble, is that we often do not understand the transcendental writings and wordings of the high consciousness and intelligence of the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada, thus according to everyone's individual natural propensity some may think he meant (to go ahead and abuse) which is not what he meant. Men if suppose to be superior intellect, why they don't get this? Some do, it is the criminally minded, or the sick, or the exceptionally puffed up, who don't get it.

Dear GBC, please consider, the educated who read what ghq preacher believe them to be: very emotionally messed up, or suffering from some form of mental illness, or criminally minded. While you are only disagreeing with some parts of what ghq says and agreeing with others, those with intelligence only focus on the dangerous parts, as should you. If we are to draw more into the movement, do you want the crazies like the polygamists or even wives who agree? If you think the submissives will be easier to control, this is illusion. They are often the crazies, will ultimately cause a trouble you don't even know how to deal with. Better to attract the more functional type of women, and their husbands, to the movement. Wholesome families, who would then be helpful to you.

GBC do you job, or let someone else do it if you don't want to get involved. Action must be taken soon, or everyone wholesome will start to leave. The sane don't stay in movements that tolerate abuse. The inteligent know thats nutty.

DASI

Discovered a spin-off of GHQ. It's ghq for women. Apparently there's always a percentile of women in society who like punishment and abuse. This group is called DASI. Do not confuse with an ISKCON woman group by similar name. There are two dasi organizations. Found little interest in either, but if forced to single out the better of the two, iskcon branch is safer. They may also preach some subservient position, but a difference be, they'll not force you to remain a member to still be worthy of respect. If you leave their group, they may not promote you, however if they find you are still to be a spiritual person they may. Especially you will be allowed to promote yourself.

May sound common sense to the rational. However, just try leaving ghq Dasi and letting them know why. Though no one can force you to remain a member (otherwisthe they would), next you will be condemned to the eternal hell fire, bad mouthed to as involved in serious maya for disagreement with them, others warned they better avoid your association.

Especially you will be chastized if you pointed out recognization of abuse, refusing to play their game that it's spiritual. You my dear friend, are going to hell.

Amusing how ghq men criticize iskcon women in charge of anything, nonetheless here they be, letting their woman in charge of DASI. Apparently iskcon women, even when going through husband to take charge of something, that was not good enough for ghq. If ghq did not know about it, they critized her, until they made sure she had spoken to her husband first. They are authority over her husband? He must inform them? Then hypocritical ghq lets one of their women take charge of DASI.

Their defense? Men are overseeing. With smallest amount of examination it became obvious - she's in charge. Merely look at the countless writings, most are a by woman than by men. They're hers specific. When such men write, it then requiress more colaboration, like mini-meetings, & often purpose is to give additional male glorification to a topic she all ready made.

Amazing they can twist Prabhupada's philosophy to extreme depths, rejecting what they dislike & accepting only what pleases their mind and senses. Then mark claims as superior devotees.

Denail strong. Illusions. Because to admit they've been living long time in make believe castle in the sky, is too much for their false ego to accept. Unless they rid false ego. Unlikely.

DASI is militant. Prabhupada was loving. DASI uses lies and tricks to convert. Prabhupada used "purity is the force," letting people make honest choice. Whether be man or a woman, those who deviate from sublime, beautiful, pure enlightenment of Srila Prabhupada, then present their deviations as truth, have almost always swerved away from his most basic instructions to all devotees:

• Chant 16 rounds every day without fail.




• Follow the 4 regulative principles strictly and without fail. (Clearly they break this one, more often than they'll ever let you know!)




• Rise early.




• Attend Mornging and Evening programs (even if have to do it themself as has been done in Preaching Centers throughout the world).




• Take cold shower.




• Book Distribtion (chances they participate in this is joke.)




• Don't eat too much or too little, eat simple. (Often they are wanting of a wife or wives for purpose of cooking fancy meals for their uncontrolled tongue).




• HariNama Sankirtana. (Unlikely.)




• Prabhupada addressed certain letters to "ALL MY DISCIPLES" with instructions that applies to any and all devotees in his Brahma Sampradaya lineage. They don't follow many, seldom read them, except to argue them, find excuse around it.




• Avoid committing the 10 Offenses (which they commit everyday when they call a devotee woman a *hore, think of Vaisnava woman as sex toy, hold hate in mind & heart for women.)

After reading some (the ghq) DASI articles it became clear their female writer is a smart lady, not less intelligent. It also appears she's: A game player of the mind, must always be right, things have to be her way (spoiled) or no way at all, and that her husband will constantly back her up.

Who wouldn't, when they are called guru-pati, given permission to rape (makes you think they are going at it like rabbits, though entire ghq makes you think nearly all of them be going at it like rabbits - or wish they were), shared agreement for polygamy, and get to hear how wonderful they are extensively?

The sincere wouldn't. The healthy wouldn't. The humble wouldn't.

It may seem startling to male readers that a woman would promote ghq philosophies as with DASI. Particularly one with brains. Its common intelligent women in the material world, and devotees, succumbed to abuse for many reasons. It's a misunderstanding that the higher the intelligence, the higher the psychological health. That's not always the case. Intelligent levels are irrespective. The college educated have willingly accepted abuse from patients.

Any woman putting up with abuse of this level, of this weirdness, including sexual opportunities for polygamy with options to include underaged minor, either that wife can't escape; or a wife may be entangled, and some are just messed up. May have formerly lived in worse situations, then discovered Krishna Consciousness, experienced some happiness. If husband turned out to be abuser, weighing against her past experiences, this was standard. Afterall, he's superior because his abuse included a spiritual component, must be right, isn't it?

No, it's sick. Regretably they've not experienced life that did not include some categorical nature of toxic abuse, thinking we be nuts for not surrenderng (to harmful man or situation). To them such surrender be normal, regardless how high their IQ. Don't remain unaware, mark it down or mentallyl that "intellence does not simultaneously indicate emotionally sound."

Therefore, protect yourself and become proficient how to recognize sound mental health from the unsound. Specifically refering to: emotional stinking thinking.

Am in realization they'll insist they're Vedic and healthy, criticize things here. That's part of the delusions. We will even agree some might try live similar lifestyle but its extremely rare do it right in kali yuga and succeed. This has yet to be seen. Most who did it right were sages from ancient time periods. Most born into the realistic current kali yug can't truthfully live that lifestyle. It can be a cause of falldown.

Also why His Divine Grace Srila Prabhuapda outlined a program specificually to those born in this kali yug. DASI (and GHQ) need not manipule Prabhupada's words to fit what they like to believe, such as blind surrender to their husband as if he's higher than he truthfully is, making him worshipable as gurupati, or misogny, polygamy. We ourselves will stick with Prabhupada's clear highest instructions he specifically left behind to follow. and said not to change anything.


Contagious to the weak, unrecognizable to the innocent, worship of man as the way to God has been going around, for some it has set-in as the norm. Beware. Observe it been promoted in smart clever way by smart women (who believe abuse as not abuse) which may confuse, until these perspectives mentioned become more clearly understood.

Be careful and aware of thier use of the word "traditional" roles of women. Sounds warm and fuzzy, can smell the sweet rice cooking from here. However, in truth its code for "man worship, artifical immitating saints, accepting spousal abuse as deserved" & a slew of other 'misunderstandings' they seem to want to maintain as a misunderstanding.

Not intending to engross ourselves with them, debating their infinite reasons they veil themselves with, simply trying to help others recognize misrepresentation of Srila Prabhupada by them. They are adults, can do as they like. Wuld be different if they did so quietly. The problem arises with this misrepresentation of Prabhupada that next causes many to have no interest in his genuine theachings. The other problem they indulge in, is spreading and preaching their ways to others and mislead them as well.

Look to the polititions. Are they all in accuracy with what they preach? No. Yet you probably voted for many who said things you believed in, later to find it was "bait and switch." Watch out for this DASI group, it will cheat you.

They'd debate: No, we don't cheat, we teach you to cope with husbands anger as your saving grace, we teach you its good for 11 or 12 year old girl to marry older men, we teach you its wise to share man with co-wives, we teach you abuse is not abuse but what you deserved.

Some tell themselves these to survive. Worse are those who believe it. They often are its preachers. Now doing the brainwashing that use to be done to them in their past. No one can help those indoctrinated. Srila Prabhupada never indoctrined, and always used loving kindness, pure scripture, & not sexual promiscuity they inform using his name. Offensive.

In passing came upon an editorial on Vedic woman. Mostly likely from Dasi. A picture it showed, two western young ladies from probable 1940s, smiling sweetly in such purity. Their dresses long, hair curly, looked like sisters or twins, ever so happy, nice. Any man would want to marry such a girl. Wait, what was that? In my tracks I stopped. For a moment I fell into the illusion myself, thus can't imagine what a man would feel. They were but a picture of "subtle sex life!" Not the type of purity related to Krishna, but the type of purity related to woman.

We repeatedly seem to need to remind devotees, that on this blog we speak of INITIATED women, or women desiring initiation, not any woman, however pious. Devotee is always about the Hare Krishna Movement, always about Prabhupada's instructions, not about even the sweetest of womanhood. OUr philosophy is we are not our body and to do the correct work to over come that and align with our spirit soul.

While I equally abhor men that next be hateful toward sweet woman once figuring out the sweetness they were drawn to was a sex attraction. Such men need to recognize most devotee woman are not trying to make him fall down, it is his own uncontrolled sex attraction he is feeling. Don't take it out on her.

"Attraction and repulsion for sense objects are felt by embodied beings, but one should not fall under the control of senses and sense objects because they are stumbling blocks on the path of self-realization. PURPORT - Those who are in Krsna consciousness are naturally reluctant to engage in material sense gratification. But those who are not in such consciousness should follow the rules and regulations of the revealed scriptures. Unrestricted sense enjoyment is the cause of material encagement, but one who follows the rules and regulations of the revealed scriptures does not become entangled by the sense objects. " - Bhagavad gita as it is, ch 3, TEXT 34

It is equally an offense for initiated women who takes vows of celibacy and spiritual life seriously, to next see her use other women for attracting devotee men: "Oh look! This picture of innocence, this is what you want now isn't it?" Only two freedback replies, both male, none seeing through the illusion. Within them, surprising to read compliments on writing skills instead of accuracy, or inaccurac,y of the articleIt's It's better to read essays imperfectly composed yet explains unchanged, unbiased, philosophy of Srila Prabhupada.

Repeatedly its been agreed, there's not difficulty accepting the adults of DASI (or ghq) desire for sex, and their desire to live a different lifestyle from the one Prabhupada outlined for the initiate. (However if they are initiated, and most of them are, they are insubordinate to His Divine Grace's instructions to the initiate.) The difficulty arises due to DASI & GHQ's misrepresentation of him, and their arrogance they be superior followers. Just look up his expectations of "disciple" and that will quickly be cleared away. They are following something different.

Vedic woman, as they chronically propose, is not hard for she who all ready Vaisnava following Srila Prabhupada's program. There be many such quotes to promote this also, therefore read Prabhupada's actual instructions for this yug, and don't be mislead by their fanaticism. Vedic woman is part of Varnashrama dharma, and to maintain law. Krishna consciousness is higher, where woman all ready is a Vedic woman, needing no extra endeavor if she is following the vows she took, which included the program specifically outlined by Srila Prabhupada.

A woman who worships Mother Durga is also a Vedic woman, a female who worships Lord Siva - also Vedic woman. Lady who worships the impersonal brahmajyoti - Vedic Woman. She who believes its 'all one' can also be a Vedic woman. Some of these ladies can be even more strict than Dasi women! Dasi is strict, but these other Vedic women, some, be more strict.

Upon times it brings up wonder, can't be helped to ask, what happened in the past of these obsessive promoters of Vedic womanhood, that they must always present themselves as purest of the pure? Srila Prabhupada has not left that out of the process he gave (4 regulative principles, Morning program, Sankirtana service). The highest level of purity is automatically achieved through Krishna conscious activities, why therefore they hanker upon hanker for more and more purity?

Left to specualte, with ideas worth consideration.

• Were any of them violated as a child?




• Were any of them told they would never be pure?




• Were any of them the oppposite, spoiled cild of family who had to be perfect always?




• Is there a sexual component to this pushing of Vedic woman purity, since we see it is not abot purity of soul and God, but toward husband?




• Though rare, are some such woman narcasists? Aftr reading the definition of the female narcasist, it was startling, recognizing what might be characteristics promoted by wife of GHQ, or DASI.

To have purity of wife, there need be purity of husband. Not showman purity, such as with most and probably all GHQ. Not to marry, then rape, under-aged girl and claim to be Vedic. They are not qualified as the scriptural men they read about, thus they be making offenses.

Admit to have found their next topic and explanation interesting, that woman are considered less intelligent not as much due to intelligence level, but due to emotional level. If this be fact, then it must be given notice, should a husband abuse his wife, she is going to be emotional. If anyone abuses anyone at all, they will react with strong emotions. Blaming women as too emotional often be an escape technique used by irresponsible men to avoid admission of what they've done wrong.

Lets bring to the forefront men often are as emotional as women in kali yug, more likely to use emotions of smart-alec sarcasm, anger, jealousy, picking fights, and other emotions acceptable to them merely because they are recognized as mostly male. However, emotions are emotions, all of which will block the intelligence levels. Its been a constant, for such men to treat their women cruelly, then blame her as overly emotional. Not behavior of Vaisnava husband, thus if he does like karmi or abuser, do not complain she's emotional, thereby less intelligent.

All this is similar to black slaves of Old South America, whose owners were convinced of their intellectual inferiority, while these same owners beat and deprived them of knowledge. Unfortunately may have been difficult to put to knowledge to memory under such stressful abusive situations. Then using that as evidence they are less intelligent. Centuries later when slavery and abuse became illegal, we now have a beautiful colorful world filled with highly intelligent black doctor, architects, teachers.

No one should expect they can abuse another, than complain that other is too emotional, therefore less intelligent. Bogus. Offensive. Offenses accumulate, reactions karmically will return to sender when least expected.

Then in the article comes mention of so many divorced at temples, further suggestive is their buck passing to woman, leaving certain men unaccountable for their actions. If brave enough to look at truth, notice authorities demanded both to husband and wife to minimize child care and do something else. There are more and more authorities as exception today but might still go on. How can woman be blamed she is not homebody mother, under such circumstances? What if your boss said something similar? Are you willing to put many things at risk? Not an easily resolved as they say.

I love the temples, if they would make modifications to respect these needs all would be well. But I will not sit idly by with woman blamed for actions of men. Many godsisters were chastised for taking care of their "bags of stool." DASI or GHQ blames broken homes on woman? They always skirt making man accountable when males do something wrong, even to blame that on woman.

Apparently some of them believe accepting that is to be chaste. But it is dishonest & breed dishonesty. Understandle every once in a while a husband does something wrong, the wife often will pretend to the public he did not, while internally she knows better, but protects him in this way. However, misogynists expect that alall the time. It be nice if he did truthful protection and not put her through reactions that are deserved upon him. Very cowardly for those who make unlimited claims of their superior qualiities. Then why they be such cowards they must hide behind wife's apron strings? If he has the huptza to do wrong actions, let him have courage to accet full consequences. If he often performs wrong actions, wife has to take the blame or no longer be though of as chaste, do they not feel in their gut how sickening this is? How dishonest, infection to their own soul? Kali yug is barely standing, and its spiritual success is that it stands on the last leg which is honesty.

Now if woman does something wrong they call her *hore and send her to hell fire. How pusillanimous not to at least admit what faults are his, becauyse then they could improve, advance.

They next quote Prabhupada on 'no divorce,' but so long as they maintain karmi behavior like abuse or serious neglect, they will receive karmi reactions like divorce. Initiated Vaishnava woman do not deisre divorce, might tolerate a man who abuses 'if' he admits its from karmi past and obtains treatment or somehow purifies self. However, can't criticize Vaisnava women for getting free of him if he wont admit his abuse is from his karmi personality, but instead tries to pass it onto Prabhupada or God. Such an offense can not be tolerated.

Additionally, since early on the men were glorified but unfortunately did not come up to outlined standards, too many let it go to their head, abused wife, cheated on her, ignored the children (except to punish), became the center, thinking too often always be right. Rresults in no humility in marriage, which results in abuse if wife disagree with him, which resulted in iskcon divorces. Probably they all went over to the GHQ. LOL Because iskon is more and more purifying, getting rid of this maya.

When there is criticism on iskcon broken homes coming from these who proclaim to be Vedic women we must look deeper. Iskcon has history to look at and learn from, and they are doing exactly what old iskcon did when young and foolish, who have now stopped many such practices after discovering it did not work, as well as learning they misunderstood - spiritual maturity.

Here we have DASI women saying they've spoken to iskcon children to find out they are unhappy, when in fact they themselves are training their daughters to marry at age of minor, to serve man as her lifes goal. Sons trained to maintain excessive false ego of never wrong, gurupate of wife who can do anything he wants. They've taken it further than iskcon, yet they think the problems of the children they spoke with are a result of non Vedic woman? That the a good wife will hold family together regardless depths of abusiveness of some husband? They view him not abusive but Vedic? Such actions only make children miserable. They need to come out ofdenail. No protection from mom there.

They criticize our children, but show one blissful teenager in kali yuga? Do they take advantage of that phenomena and use it to claim they have spoken to these kids and they're miserable? Happiness is fleeting for anyone, but more-so the uncentered teenager. At least in iskcon we dont make 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 etc year old girl get married, which will damage them worse.

We would like equal time. Faciliated to similarly talk to their children, without the parents present, because we feel confident when they spoke to iskcon children, the parents were not present. Would DASI and GHQ allow us to ask questions of THEIR children. No. Because we'd discover they are no happier than iskcon children. Their girls, with the idea of having to have sex with older man, or be in weird cowife situation, regarldess how sweet a smile she's been trained to plaster onto her face, she may be deeply frightened.

We are sorry DASI believes there's too much denigerating ideas on raising daughters, wondering why so fanatical they can not pick up a self help book on how to riase children, modify it accordingly. Though they will fault find it not as Veidic, as Prabhupada said to take gold from any place. Its difficult to have much compassion for their complaints that no one is caring about the purity of their daughters, when they themselves train them up to accept rape and all forms of abuse from their future husband! They are indeed focusing on the least important type of purity, the purity of body, which again is automatic if one is truthfully practicing Krishna consciousness. They are practicing caste system of old, not Prabhupada's instructions for this difficult age all live in.

We are sorry DASI does not know how to be good wife wihtout getting fanatical, refusing to read anything in addition to Vedic books teaching how to be good wife. Would make more sense if if they did not come out of karmi background, but most everyone had karmi background, sometimes other books can heal problems.

We are sorry DASI needs to control entire world on these, including devotee world, in order to have the life they want. Fact be their worries about their daughter is not really about their daughter, antheir need to glorify husand and accept mistreatmeant is not really about not their husband, its about them. Sure, some is understandable, as it is always a fear trying to raise a Krishna conscious child in modern day, with little support, and so much going wrong. Simultaneously they are not satisified with Prabhuadapada's outlined method (words they'll never speak) and want to raise their daughters a way to guarantee her purity, the type as in Varnasramadharma. We who'd much prefer our daughter be taught how to be pujari or serive Krishna, can not relate, knowing the morality these organizations fret over are not a concern in Krishna consciousness. Itis true it still happens, this they will point out and develop into an excuse for what they do instead. However, illusion is to think it can't happen in varnashramadharma either. It can happen under any philosophy, any lifestyle. However, if trained to know how to do devotions to God, not man, daughter will be saved not only of the parents morality worries, but also from repeated birth and death.

Therefore it is not about their daughter, it's about how scared, mad, worried, etc the parents feel inside. Unfortunately they do not look for practical solutions for kali yuga, as they still must all be better than everyone else, so must immitate sages in scripture. Understand, they do not feel good unless there is fanaticism in their lifle. Fanaticism helps them feel back in control.

However, just follow Prabhuapda's (accurate) gurukula method, add some mom stuff to it - not so hard. If they find it hard, we wonder why. We suspect its because they are trying to make something different, and more difficult, than what Prabhuapda outlined, for whatever psychological reasons they maintain. But can't change the reality we all were born kali yuga. Prabhupada all ready outlined a program for children, which can even be modified as long as Krishna remains the center. No need to concoct a better one through false unachievable immitations.

When next considering their belief of husband guru, since that was not the process with the presence of Srila Prabhupada, no evidence it was ever instructed to kali yug devotees, thereby causes question why these women desire to think her husband is also her spiritual master?

Likely thinking making him happy will automatically bring her back to Godhead, as they read in scripture. If they have a pure devotee husband, such luck. Since that has yet to be seen, or proven, its but illusion to assume always pleasing the husband when he's in maya, would deliver the wife. It may avoid arguments, but this not be a post on marriage skills, in favor of, or against, which ones. This be a blog of those initiated, only on spiritual qualification of husband as guru. If he's in maya (such as wanting sex without 50 rounds, or bullying), if she passes it off as spiritual, first she is lying to herself. she now has assisted herself and husband to take birth again. Possibly children too, since they train them to be just like them. They are kept very controlled and see not much else. Nowhere has Prabhuapada said husband can do whatever he likes, contrary, he has said husband must live as a paramahansa.

Considering DASI's husbands, the GHQ, attempted to overthrow iskcon, promoted disgrace to any man disagreeing with ghq, desire or believe to marry under-aged girls, add belief its acceptable to rape wife, reject certain aspects of Prabhupadas instructions they dislike, such as woman on book distribution, while pretense they are superior follows.............This is your guru?! How any woman can think this makes for qualification of guru of any sort, maybe she wants illusion too.

False egos' run high. They want to follow something lower and call it higher. Whether that be due to lying to us or themselves, or be due to large false ego rejects awareness of truth, becomes hard to discern. What we know is, those who have studied Prabhupada's letters to his disciples can defeat the bogus DASI and their unqualified husbands GHQ.

This blind acceptance of husband as guru is bogus, devotee husband must prove through example he is first qualified to be even husband, what to speak qualified to be guru. Simply taking to the Hare Krishna religion is insufficient. It is however sufficient to be a devotee himself, but to take an unquestionable position? No, only in the caste system can one automatically be given such a position. Srila Prabhupada spoke repeatedly against the caste system in kali yug, and of the importance of qualification. To give unconditional power to husband just for taking male birth is not in like with Srila Prabhupada's type of Krishna Consciousness, regardless they quote him, they simply be false imitators of past yogis in past yugas.

Will not speak much on devotees of this strange organization, DASI. Wishing only to give warning. They are militant and sexaholics, bowing to their husbands every whim. EVERY. Worship of man. They will sneakily twist this as they twist a myriad of topics they speak on.

Instead, we proclaim:

"JUST SAY NO to MAN WORSHIP."

Here's what they say on guru-pati which is only the half of it. No religion makes bona fide the incontestable worship of earthly man, especially if he wants more women, especially if he be a woman-hater. Woman hater propensity immediately removes him from advanced spiritual position.

Incidentally, that lovely picture of the two innocent looking 1940 girls who sparked probably in all who viewed it, admiration for their satvic appealingly mode of goodness purity? They were melechas! Just see how easy it is to fall under maya's clutches. Repeatedly Srila Prabhupada has explained, we are not interested in the mode of goodness, we are interested in overcoming ALL of the material modes of nature and going further, up to Krishna consciousness:

"Bob: Are the devotees beyond accumulating karma? These devotees--do they feel karma? Do they work in these modes? Are they in the mode of goodness?

Srila Prabhupada: They are above goodness! Suddha-sattva. The devotees are not in this material world. They are in the spiritual world. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita: mam ca yo 'vyabhicarena bhakti-yogena sevate sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate ("One who engages in full devotional service, who does not fall down in any circumstances, at once transcends the modes of material nature and thus comes to the level of Brahman.") Devotees are neither in goodness, passion nor ignorance. They are transcendental to all these qualities.

Bob: A devotee who is very faithful reaches this stage?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Devotee... You can become a devotee as they have become. It is not difficult. Simply you have to engage yourself in the transcendental loving service of the Lord, that's all." -- Perfect Questions Perfect Answers, Chr 4, TheThree Modes Of Nature, February 28, 1972

Initiated devotee woman are automatically moral, then going higher up to Krishna conscious. Because she is Krsna conscious she may be strong, which is what DASi & GHQ reject, yet Prabhupada instructed woman they should be strong preachers for Krishna. If that instruction does not make for the perfect cozy home-life DASI or ghq dreamed of, too bad. Besides, they practice nice grhastha lifestyle outlined by Srila Prabhupada. These woman are still submissive by nature, just submissive to the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada first and foremost! Incidentally, that lovely picture of the two innocent looking 1940 girls who sparked probably in all who viewed it, admiration for their purity? They were melechas! Just see how easy it is to fall under maya's power. Initiated devotee woman are automatically pure because they are celibate and follow Krishna consciousness program by Prabhupada.

Sex & Vows, the Hare Krsna Movement

Arguments have been posed from all sides. Some deem it be due to celibacy vows that there's abuse. Give up the vows to fix the Hare Krishna Movement.

Another side insists, polygamy! Many women can get protection by giving sex to good husband.

Some monogomists agree on aspect of giving sex to avoid abuse.

Each extreme contains misunderstandings.

A great deal all ready has been elucidated concerning polygamists. Abridged - they're extremely lusty for sex and power and control; living in that world of lies, showing credit therefore blame to Veda or Prabhupada. Giving polygamists too much attention is as bad as giving none. Too little, no one else tries to correct a thing, leaving others persisting with belief's Prabhuapda is a misogynists & encourages polygamy now. Too much attention - polygamists love - they are attention *hores. That's why the desire for many women surrounding them, serve their upper and lower tongues, must always be present as soon as they snap their fingers.

Next are those speaking to celibacy of the monogmist (marries one woman). Agreed, it is without doubt much child abuse and woman abuse be the result of sexual frustration. What this actually reveals is a problem of pretense. When a devotee pretends to be more than they are, better than they are - it fails. It will escape elsewhere. No hiding allowed by God or even the demi-gods. (Karma gets recorded too.)

A way it reveals itself is physical or verbal beating the object of sex: women and wife.

The other way of its manifestation is beating what would be the result of sex if they could only have it: children. They physically, verbally, even spiritually abuse children because they can't love what they can't have - or think they can't have, or did not come their way the moment they finally desired one, therefore abusing "others" children.

Those who have children but abuse them, do so for many reasons. One as Prabhupada explained, children get in the way of sense gratifcations. Including mental. Children make them think, reflect, or stop what they're doing and serve them (the child). None of what misogynists wish to indulge in much. Its not always fun, its work. Reality check: Fathers who serve children are setting a good example to serve others; and children are a barometer, golden opportunity to see our faults without too much false ego to deal with, then free faults away. However, such men do not want to notice any flaw they have, only others. They're the big family guru, never wrong. (Yet another falsification they make of Prabhupada philosophy.)

Such misogynists do not much see persons or personalism, chiefly they see objects. They likely have feelings which are skyrocketing, pushings they have little control over, including emotional. They often don't recognize it as presence, because of his pretense. When a wall must be held up, it requires much time & energy, can be exhaustive, with no vitality or honesty left to move freely ahead toward truth. The burdon is heavy, but false ego strong.

Some preach: for the Hare Krishna Movement to become successful once more, to bring in new members, to inspire old ones or get them active again, these vows must be changed.

Buddhists monks recognize they have taken vows to remain celibate. There are others who take vows never to marry and remain celibate. Devotees are full-fledged intelligent adults when taking such vows, know what they're doing, many ran after it with a ferver. Moreoever, the Hare Krsna Movement is one of the few that allow priests marriage. Simply not to take advantage. Marriage is not to live like karmi again under religious disguise. Prabhupada said marriage is not a license for sense gratificaiton. If someone can't do like that, what is the difficulty? Just don't do vows part (iniatiaton) and continue devotional practices.

If a reader has a hard time with any of this, try to understand its for, and about, discpiples. That guru is willing to suffer great sickness and other pains by taking much karma away from the disciple and into himself.

Prabhupada indeed has taken much of our karma and still does, for the purpose of saving the devotees. If unwanting to follow his instructions, why not step down? No need to give up worship and chanting of Krishna. Become a FOLK member and still worship Krishna. Chant japa anywhere, any time. Listen to CD kirtanas, or visit temples.

To use pretense to either go wild after polygamy and lording it over, or for others to dismiss higher understanding as only way for sex control over mind, body, senses as through the higher pleasure of Krishna, these misunderstanding or pretense merely results in circular debates. The monogmistic true grhasta (good householder) is to think of Krishna all day long or as much as possible. Then only, can sex desire cease. Whereas the grhamati (bad householder) thinks of polygamy, or sex and power all day.

And THAT is the reason abuse happens. The unwillingness to follow Prabhupada's instructions yet insist on initiation, putting on a good game of pretending, trying to pass off anartha's as normal.

The solution is not to lower the standards Prabhupada has set, but for the devotee to admit when they can't follow them, then do not ask for initiation. Work toward getting to the right stage before requesting initiation and taking vows of celibacy, rather than faking it.

Factually those who are wanting of sex, stopped meditating on the bliss of Krishna. Nobody can merely renounce. Such a pleasure must be replaced with a better pleasure. Many initiates have stopped doing like that, gradually discontinued replacing material pleasures with higher pleasures Krishna offers. Then wonder why their urge to merge has become exceedingly strong. Time to get back to basics.

While true that sexual abuse of women, children - and other forms of abuse of women and children, are due to male sexual frustrations, there are men just as frustrated who do "not" beat women or children. Therefore, why the other men are abusive?

Causes vary. From emotinal instability to entitlement; normality to abuse in their karmi home to molested by rabbi or priest. A great deal of anger and resentment, not knowing where to put it. However, largest reason? They choose to dishonestly follow Prabhupada and to maintain that dishonesty.

The following gets recognition because those who trhtufully do as Prabhupada instructs become cleansed and mended; then benedicted to give up the desire for sex all together. This is reported less since the rise of abuse exploiting Prabhupada's Movement. However, recovery and advancing has been seen. Not lip service, rather actual experiences and evidences.

The goal is to put all attention and energy on Krishna's blissful three-fold bending form, get out of the material world of repeated birth and death, live in blissfull happiness beyond anyones imagination, as it far surpasses anything we have in this earthly world. We don't have to die and go to heaven before we get a taste of it. By genuine practice of Krishna Consciousness any can have sublime experiences now.

Its difficult for many to understand the existance of a pleasere that can be more pleasureable then sex. It does exist. If somone doesn't want to apply themselves in this way anymore, simply renounce initiation too. Continue worship of Krishna. There's always possibilities. Merely, those who are blaming sex abuse on Prabhupada, misunderstand at best.

Sexual abuse is always due to liars, in and outside the Movement. Since when do sex abusers tell the truth, wear red flags, or warn they hold belief they have this as a right; additionally reveal they're usually abusive in many other ways too? Never. They lie, they cheat, and use anything they can think of to hide. Including schemes to give devotees the impression they're kind (hence wouldn't want to hurt their feelings & correct their philosophy), and authorities to think they are spiritually accurate.

Not referencing to child sexual abuse, another matter for another day. ADULTS. Grown-ups can be tricked, not to think we are above it. Therefore, misogynists and polygamists work to groom even the adult into believing they are so kind they'd never hurt a fly. This nature of the sex abusers has less to do with the Hare Krishna movement and more with the age of Kali.

Alhough it has a lot to do with the outcome in the Movement, the contamination, if authorities or strong devotees sit back and do nothing. In the past they've sometimes taken action, sometimes not. More often it's by popular demands, and proof Prabhupada's instructed opposite, when they will step up.

Everyone has a responsibility. We can't complain authorities do nothing if we do nothing. Small venture's fine, its something. Lodge a complaint to someone with power and will listen, post something somewhere, write a snail mail letter if you can (they stand out these days), do something else, talk about it.

Let not history repeat where all reamin silent. Again change or no change will be in relationship to what the populace insists upon, only then do authorities take a drop of action. Big or small, don't be quiet, make those whose responsibility it is to correct this mess, get off their laurals and simply correct it. If they don't, than "this" is the real reason our society will become degraded. Ignore abuse, you get temples and various communities filling up with abusers. A ripe marketplace, good for the pickings. Make friends with other abusers. Network.

This doesn't have to be, only will it should those in power do nothing.

Abuse, and many other such problems, are not the Krishna Conscious philosophy. Just can't imagine Prabhupada pleased about these activities. Therefore as you read or hear, take the time to pick out what is their nonsense, and what is genuine. Never give up Krishna. They misrepresent Him. Krishna gives bliss, protection, happiness, boundaries, genine spiritual enlivenment.

White Supremacy, Male Superiority, Slavery-
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