Aparadhi GHQ

They are an organized group of male deviants of Prabhupada philosophy, parts they object to, simultaneously claim to be his superior followers.

• All are “women haters,” most strongly support polygamy.
  
  
• All are male supremists; adamant that blacks, women, Latino's, Anyone who disagree with them – are lower classed, less intelligent (that's why there wasn't agreement), lower birth, and inferior to them.
  
  
• All are abnormally puffed-up.
  
  
• All are hard headed, and reject advice.

Lust is the name of the game. Lust over sex, but also lust for power, lust to be the thought police, lust to gain charge of ISKCON, lust to control any devotee who understands Prabhupada's philosophy different from their strange way. Lust and power – same.

The mentality of GHQ is astoundingly low. Harshness and abusive language recurrently directed at others - the privilege these overseers grant themselves, since they are authority, so they think. Kindness is artificial. Its cloaked manipulation, purposed to pull in devotees, make others deem them nice; an art they exploit.

"The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. " Sri Isopanisad, Verse 12, Purport"

These "guru-pati's" strongly disagree with many of Srila Prabhupada’s superior most glorious instructions, but evade related conversation by use of lengthy jugglery of words, or conceal their disagreement.

They claim they’re not breaking of the four regulative principles because they do not approach their wife once she becomes pregnant. Often ending their conversation on this topic, there. However, what appears they are hiding would be this scenario:

They marry a woman, impregnate her. Easy for him to “avoid” approaching her for sex again, because now he can flirt with another woman and make her his next wife to have sex with. Once she too becomes pregnant, no problem should he get lusty, simply he takes on wife number three, then four, five, etc. He is using women to (pardon my french) “relieve” himself, as opposed to controlling himself. Thus he is breaking the 4 regulative principles, because when this man gets lusty, he feels justified to either get a new wife, or approach one that gave birth a while back. This is trickery and dishonest to their vows.

Financially they most likely can’t do this, or so we think because we could not. However they are extremely attached, and they are organizer. Most likely planning their own little cult-like society, possibly similar to the bizarre Texas Mormon polymist commune, preferably to take over Iskcon as they have mentioned. Therefore look out authorities. They are rascals, not truthfully keeping vows they made their spiritual master. If If they can be dishonest there, the foremost of all, they can be dishonest anywhere.

Polygamists point out there'd be no cheating husands if polygamy became socially acceptable. They must think anyone other than themselves as imbecille. Using a different name, polygamy, is still recognizable cheating. Worse, they give all attributions to God. However, they slant scripture and be tremendously fallen. Why must the world, society, especially women, and children, make many unpleasant changes for kali yuga polygamists who refuse to use self control? Yoga means inclusion of maha self control. There'd be no cheating husbands if they put a stop to their wandering eye as what truthfully is in accordance with vows they took. Even so, misogynists want the external circumstances to change so they don’t have to control the mind and lower chakra.

GHQ craves to indulge in sex, sex, and more sex; while remaining elusive about this maha aspect, to make others believe they're not breaking vows. They've no problem constructing many types of veils as disclosed in some of their private emails. They will ramble on and on to build smoke screens purposed for hiding their overactive sex desire, using concepts of morality, and any other issue they can. Never do they come out into the open to confess they want more and more sex. Whereas, anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows a man who wants more than one woman in his home, wants more sex in his home.

Trying to embed traditional Hindu Caste System as if it's what Prabhupada wanted, when truth remains he repeatedly preached "against" the caste system. Prabhupada all ready instructed what he wants. (See blog “Know Your Stuff,” June posting. Follow up with "Know Other Stuff," June.)

Astoundingly, even upon birth of daughters, the GHQ father never waivors (from his maya). Attached to maintaining his self-rightous position, even daughter is treated as less-intelligent female he must marry off young. Some deprive her adequate education. This be evidence of the depth of attachment to sex and ego. Even their own children, they contaminate, for purpose that they (parents not children) may continue indulgence in sex and powerful lording it over. Not pedophiles of their own children. No. However, they believe in marriage of daughters as young as 11 or 12 years old, to old feeble man. Persisting they are protecting her and keeping morality in the world, when in truth she becomes very confused and accepts the crazy lifestyle of her parents, as to be normal. We hope such a daughter, too young to make choice of marriage, does not befall to brutal harm from husband GHQ parents arrange for her to marry, or a son does not become jailed for abuse of his wife, having seen his father ceaselessly get away with .

Where is their humility as a devotee? Everyone must live their lifestyle? Twisting words anyone utters, should those words be dissimilar to theirs.

"Unfortunately, in this Age of Kali there are many mundane persons in the dress of Vaisnavas, and Srila BhaktivinodaThakura has described them as disciples of Kali. He says, kali-cela. He indicates that there is another Vaisnava, a pseudo Vaisnava with tilaka on his nose and kanthi beads around his neck. Such a pseudo Vaisnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaisnavas. Although passing for a Vaisnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaisnava." (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 1.218 purport)

Deliberately they build and install false fears: “If the women does that, what will happen to the children?!” Reality divulges women have always taken care of her children in the movement or out, its natural. Men have higher statistics to run away, or as deadbeat dads. GHQ would claim they're good fathers since they stick around. Hopefully they're good fathers but we know they have domination problems, difficulty with detachment, want to own everything and everyone.

"Not that with a motive, that "I shall become a devotee and exploit Krsna and Krsna consciousness movement and aggravate my position as sense gratifier." No, that is not devotion. - Srila Prabhupada, Bhagavatam Lecture 1.10.4--Mayapura, June 19, 1973

Nevertheless, many and most GHQ want polygamy with adolescent minor girls. These men are between ages of 45 and 65 years old. No authority finds this warps the mind of any man? They need to put an end to the acceptance, including tolerance, of the GHQ.

"For those who are too attached to material enjoyment, sense gratification is very difficult to give up. Even when one is an invalid because of old age, one cannot give up such desires for sense gratification. Therefore, one who actually desires happiness must give up such unsatisfied desires, which are the cause of all tribulations." SB 9.19.16

Surprisingly 'some' GHQ members are very strict in "mechanical" following; nontheless they maintain anger, reject purification, believe in their incontestable hierarchy, and absolute rightness. By chance if they don't want woman in their life (rare), they expect other GHQ to take them on, and keep them all down and under their thumb. Attraction and repulsion - Bhagavad Gita tells us, same thing. Repulsion is truthfully attraction. Sex desire weaves itself deeply in GHQ. Why they don't want to handle it and advance.

The word GHQ is the acronym for “General Head Quarters.” Nothing spiritual. Had they the slightest bit of pure motive, they would have rejected this name. A name which speaks for itself. Militant. They are dominators, jealous, vigilantes desirous to overthrow Prabhupada’s Movement and change it into their system.

"To become restless in the contact of women and wealth is not an astonishment, because every living being is associated with such things from remote time, practically immemorial, and it takes time to recover from this foreign nature. But if one is engaged in hearing the glories of the Lord, gradually he realizes his real position. By the grace of God such a devotee gets sufficient strength to defend himself from the state of disturbances, and gradually all disturbing elements are eliminated from his mind." Srimad Bhagavatam, 1.2.1

Readers may wonder if this be showing Prabhupada as prejudiced against women. No, it is not. It's important to study "all" his works. Having read vast misunderstandings of his works by the innocernt, thanks to the postings of misogynists and GHQ, it now becomes essential to elucidate various points. 'Disciple' also means student, accordingly to study regularly, daily, as would in any school or University. It takes time. Hence, two basic principles stand behind such quotes. One: he is usually speaking of nonspiritual materialistic women. Misogynists seldom make the distinction, and they prefer hyperfocus other texts. Two: next principle behind all such quotes, is woman also is to avoid man, an instruction for iniatates. Thus it's not a gender issue, applies equally to both genders. My speculation be, Veda originally composed in male connotations merely because of system everyone practiced in that era; with orgins of Veda reaching so far back, men who went to learn became pure devotees quickly, returning home to marry and then explain to wife. Postion misogynists and GHQ demand but unqualified in contemporary kali yuga.

"If we become attracted... Woman means for man the woman is woman, andfor the woman the man is woman. Not that woman means a particularclass. Woman means which are enjoyable. So in this material world, theman is enjoyable by the woman, and the woman is enjoyable by the man. For both of them, visayinam sandarsanm atha yositam. Yosit meansenjoyable." Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam. Vrndavana, 10 September 1976

Despite fact the GHQ vigorously pursued spiritual initiation, they're advocates of polygamy, a sneaky way to break their vows of celibacy and credit/blame Veda. Reality: Prabhupada does not want a society full of polygamists.

"My Dear Rupanuga, Please accept my blessings. I am in receipt of your letter dated 31/1/73. After conferring with my various GBC representatives I have concluded that polygamy must be strictly prohibited in our society. Although it is a Vedic institution still there are so many legal implications. Neither are many of our men fixed up enough to tend for more than one wife. Polygamy will simply increase the sex life and our philosophy is to gradually decrease the sex life till eventually there is no sex life. The policy should be that all the women are given the utmost protection. Women are looking for husbands because they feel unprotected so it is up to the senior members to give all protection to the women." Srila Prabhupada Letter, Sydney 14 February, 1973

Polygamists yearn continually after sex. Throw in some power, prestige, and massive control. All these are interconnected to sexual power. Full circling back to: GHQ's about sex.

"The conditioned soul is very proud of becoming the husband of even one wife, but the Lord laughs at this; the intelligent man can know who is the real husband. Factually, the Lord is the husband of all the women in His creation, but a conditioned soul under the control of the Lord feels proud to be the husband of one or two wives." Srimad Bhagavatam 2.4.20

Krishna explains, we took birth because we wanted to be as Him. Prabhupada reveals, the way out of the material world is to give up its highest pleasure, sex, replace it with a higher pleasure: Krishna. There is no other way anyone can give up highest pleasures in the material world, sex, except to transport into their life superior spiritual pleasure: the God connection.

"The Vedic principle is that one should avoid sex life altogether. The whole Vedic principle is to get liberation from material bondage." Srila Prabhupada and Bob Cohen, February 28, 1972

If anyone took time to go through histories of GHQ members it would be seen they are not the good devotees they proclaim. There's often a history of abuse, known or unknown to others. Verbal, physical probably sexual (can't imagine what their wife must endure.) Other GHQ may not have a recognized history in iskcon because they’re quiet, but subsequent to the discovery of this support, they spoke up about inferiority of women, giving much verbal abuse.

Whereas Srila Prabhupada's words are genuinely honest, and enlightening:

"Those words which do not describe the glories of the Lord, who alone can sanctify the atmosphere of the whole universe, are considered by saintly persons to be like unto a place of pilgrimage for crows. Since the all-perfect persons are inhabitants of the transcendental abode, they do not derive any pleasure there." Srimad Bhagavatam. 1.5.10

Point out to the misogynists they have a propensity to enjoy controlling everyone; due to their self concept as high authority, they smile. State they're enjoying lording it over women; viewing their strong sexual prowess, they smugly agree. Clarify what they're doing is abuse, they speedy validate scripturally (which they can't, but they are experts at fraudulence). Ever wonder if they have emotional or mental problems?

Insecurity
Egotism
Narcissism
Depression
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (O.C.D)
Criminal propensities
Drug /Alcohol Addictions,
Other Addictions (sex addictions, power addiction, food addiction, etc)
Copy's karmi parents, priest/rabbi, school friends; old patterns of karmi's
Keep wife down to verbally/physically/sexually abuse to get away with it.
Feel intimidated or inferior around strong intelligent women,
Feel threatened by women they can't control.
Feeling same around Blacks, Latinos, & those who disagree with them.
Other matters.
Maha Denial

Formerly each temple had a man or women with emotional or mental problems, but able to help them improve, because other normal devotees would preach to them. There are stories of devotees previously joining with history of substance abuse, or of psychological problems, completely overcoming them by authentically following Prabhupada’s process, not modifying it to give their troubles the illusion they were not troubles. A devotee confided in me some emotional illness prior to joining, and how that fully left after engaging in Krishna Conscious practices. This isn't speaking to problems requiring medication, only emotion problems. However in this case they ran deep, as was disclosed by this devotee: Emotional problems gone after commitment to pure, unadulterated devotional service.

At present, those with problems they deny, can't see, needs pointing out, and false ego's calmed, have been left without brahmacari or brahmacarini or good grhasta association surrounding them to snap them out of their illusion. Currently having internet to get organized, bullies can terrorize others who are courageous to inform them they have a problem, or are in maya, or need professional help. Its not easy to reveal this to anyone, but they disallow any cleansing, they're fine.

Conversely, there's something shoddier then all of the above. That Iskcon, or any authority, or a devotee with power, do NOTHING about them. What to speak of, inform such offenders they need a complete overhaul of their consciousness, holding these erroneous conceptions of Prabhupada's process. Still, not a finger is lifted. The cowards. Additionally sneaky misogynists, in agreement but not disclosing.

This is a lawsuit waiting to blow up in someones unsuspecting face. Its not possible to ignore known abusers, allow them to attend temple where many innocents live, GHQ can cozy-up to male authorities yet at home mistreat wife; without reactions? If ISKCON thinks: 'should a lawsuit happen it will never touch us,' think again. When somebody knowingly allows such things, they become an "accomplice."

If under the impression since wives of GHQ be extremely submissive, by no means would they take legal action, also think again. Ultimately they'll finally notice they're not living Krishna consciousness, eventually to recognize abuse as irreligiousity. Then angry to have followed a man who lead them, and their children, toward repeated birth and death, they will take some form of action. An arrest could be made, or the start of a class action law suit. If by fluke the submissives don't take such action, then a temple devotee may have felt harassed, slurred, or even inappropriately approached by GHQ, then start a law suit to include ISKCON did not warn or protect. Then if not them, an outsider (temple visitor: police brother, lawyer sister, therapist parent; or reader of GHQ on the net) may observe no one getting involved, and organize something.

Risk continues. Sooner or later its highly probable someone will end up with a broken arm, or worse. GHQ proclaims if a woman is injured by husband, its her fault. If only she did something differently then he would not have done as he did. - Hence by choice or against woman's will, sooner or later it will surely come to the attention of karmi authorities, and they shall take the action everyone else is so afraid to take. Iskcon will not be excluded. Excuses they tell devotees will not be accepted by the law.

Still believe the submissive will never do a thing, and authoritative husband, GHQ, or ISKCON authorities can keep them under control? Same had been believed by Gurukula Authorities regarding abuse; reality proved otherwise.

Temple authorities will kick out, form child molesters to innocent devotees they merely dislike. Apparently its perfectly fine to maintain woman haters and woman abusers.

Go ahead, keep ignoring the GHQ, then when ISKCON and NONiskcon authorities "themselves" begin to have serious life problems, and they will, they should connect the dots and remember this:

AINT KARMA A *ITCH.

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"Srila Narottama dasa Thakura says, chadiya vaisnava seva nistara payeche keba: unless one serves a Vaisnava, he cannot be delivered. The spiritual master initiates the disciple to deliver him, and if the disciple executes the order of the spiritual master and does not offend other Vaisnavas, his path is clear. Consequently Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu requested all the Vaisnavas present to show mercy toward the two brothers, Rupa and Sanatana, who had just been initiated by the Lord. When a Vaisnava sees that another Vaisnava is a recipient of the Lord's mercy, he becomes very happy. Vaisnavas are not envious. If a Vaisnava, by the mercy of the Lord, is empowered by Him to distribute the Lord's holy name all over the world, other Vaisnavas become very joyful--that is, if they are truly Vaisnavas. One who is envious of the success of a Vaisnava is certainly not a Vaisnava himself, but an ordinary mundane man. Envy and jealousy are manifested by mundane people, not by Vaisnavas. Why should a Vaisnava be envious of another Vaisnava who is successful in spreading the holy name of the Lord? An actual Vaisnava is very pleased to accept another Vaisnava who is bestowing the Lord's mercy. A mundane person in the dress of a Vaisnava should not be respected but rejected. This is enjoined in the sastra (upeksa). The word upeksa means neglect. One should neglect an envious person. A preacher's duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaisnavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaisnavas in this Krsna consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. There is no need to serve a jealous person who is in the dress of a Vaisnava. When Narottama dasa Thakura says chadiya vaisnava seva nistara payeche keba, he is indicating an actual Vaisnava, not an envious or jealous person in the dress of a Vaisnava." CC, Madhya Lila, 1.218

Women's Ministry, & Why it "had" to start:
http://womeninkrsnaconsciousness.blogspot.com/2010/07/womens-ministry.html

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Wife likes Rape?

Have read some devotees strongly can not understand why other devotees accept every word of Prabhuapda unconditionally. Especially when there be a few, though only a few, like this topic. What they're unaware of, those other devotees know scripture to explain that a spiritual master need not be perfect in "material knowledge" in order to be perfect in spiritual knowledge.

Neophytes tend to be too inflexiable regarding material subjects. With calm maturity, the devotees faith grows, becoming less intereted in the material ideas, and aspires for the spiritual knowledge. Material knowledge can be obtained elsewhere. Srila Prabhupada did not venture as our dentist or doctor, except with a little practical advice of the times which we could take or leave. However, it be his high spiritual position that was perfect and unquestionable for the initiated disciple. Don't feel that way? Then don't take initiation.

When first learning of that rape quote, I became as startled over it as anyone. Its still not my favorite, but necessitates answers.

Actually many answers have been given: Culture has its effect, where one grew up, type of village katha, University attended, how language was taught than, all of these may have carried diverse meanings.

Additional concepts now cibsudered.

Rape may not have meant rape in the same exact context most who do not live in India understand it. This rape of "wife" may now go by a modern vernacular: "Rough Sex." Devotee women are different. Prabhupada explained on many occasions, he was not referring to devotee women, rather materialistic women. Additionally, his humble speech in the Butler church showing respect to all there including women, appears such quotes do not apply to women who are overall spiritual. The rape statement was subject matter not of male sexuality, but women. Had the subject switched to men - while can't put words in Prabhupada's mouth, reality of what we see is men like it. Our philosophy is that everyone's lusty in the material world. Karmi men often try to persuade the wife to dress up in a nurse or maid costume. Role playing. Devotee men should never do like that, simply the desire is there. Rough sex is the next best thing. Men are no exception to liking it.

"But the present age of kali is full of ignorant men. Even those who are born by a brahmana father are, in the present age, no better than the sudra or the women. " SB 1.3. 21

It is not by birth, or by material body, someone is good devotee. It is through actions. Misogynists make clever attempts to confuse, claim he's performing his duty to wife by indulging her in rough sex, because she must like it. REALITY: A) Most devotee women abhor rough sex, are more often offended by it. B) Usually it's fallen men in kali-yuga attracted to rape wife. From reasons of sex, to reasons of violence, and power. C) Prabhupada was not giving an instruction to go home and rape the wife! Never. He was speaking on materialism.

Have recently read about old dictionaries (such as Websters of 1893) holding different meanings to the word 'rape' as opposed to how its used today. To even include in the definition: "friutive," and too: “taking anything — including a woman — away by force” However it also included sexual rape, a definition that seems to have become rougher over the centuries. We've seen some recent changes in dictionaries which many do not like, yet they were made. Most likely when Prabhupada attended University, these older dictionaries, as well as encyclopedias, were what he was given to study from. This of course is not where this topic ends, just worty of attention.

ADDITIONAL-Another point be, the subject matter from the conversation was regarding law and a rape victim, alleging the lawyer of the rapist was clever (sneakily) as in asking the victim if there was even a drop of pleasure. Perchance consequences of her honesty, she replied yes, then the lawyer won the case, back than. It was not justification as rightness, no, only explaining due to biology, the law worked the way it did at that time.

In more recent times regarding child molestation, the child feeling guilty due to feeling some pleasure duing their rape, it has been explained it was not their fault they felt any pleasure. Merely because someone stimualtes such nerve endings of one who does not want it, has some nerve critcizing them for enjoying it when they did not want to enjoy with them!

Even if a grown woman of rape ejoyed a drop of pleasure due to her biology, its not choice, does not make it acceptable. I believe this is what Prabhupada was also getting at, how ridiculous the lawyer was. We do not see Prabhupada, like Rajnesh, encouraging rape. Once read a letter, can't find now, from Malati devi dasi. Her godsister was raped by man who climbed into the ashram window. The woman was horrified. Malati wrote to Srila Prabhuapda after it happened, and what type of letter does anyone think he sent back? That she enjoyed the rape, therefore its her fault too? Nonsense! His letter was one of deep compasstion, understanding, and encouragment. Now that is the truth how Prabhupada believes about rape, not these other slantings.

Its necessary to develop a little understanding of the manner in which Srila Prabhupada spoke, as this is often a problem we see in many conversations. Prabhupada will say something, then devotees will assume he meant something bad, then if they question him, they find out it not to be what he meant at all. Principally, why misogynists love this rape comment so extremely, making sure to publish it all about the internet, when Prabhupada has endless other quotes on celibacy and giving up sex as much more important?

"So actually, married couples should be paramahamsas. Paramahamsa means the topmost stage of sannyasi. Paramahamsa. A sannyasi has got four stages: kuticaka, bahudaka, parivrajakacarya and paramahamsa. .... It doesn't matter whether a grhastha, vanaprastha, sannyasi. It doesn't matter. So when he preaches all over the world, that is called parivrajakacarya. And when he's experienced, he executes the work by his assistants. That is called paramahamsa. So grhasthas are supposed to be paramahamsa." - Sri Vyasa-puja lecture, London, Augt 22, 73

Recently a devotee questioned, what is bad preaching exactly? Who are we preaching to? That karmis don't show much interest in what we say about this, so we are preaching about this to DEVOTEES.

Many misunderstandings he makes here, start with mistake of thinking he understands the rape quote, suggesting devotees should surrender to the idea of rape of wife, when that is not clear understanding at all. Tthough probably what anyone who speaks like this desires to be able to get away with yet still go back to Godhead.

Another mistake he makes is not understanding karmis indeed care, not to look down his nose at them. Preaching to them is how they become devotees. Their opinion matters, especially since Prabhuapda's movement is to be in accordance with Lord Caitanya instructions to give Krishna to every town and village, and not a movement for rape or other excessive sense gratification, for some anyway.

Though many such misognynists do not want that brand of karmis to become devotees, considering them trouble, inferior, a problem they (misogynists) will have to confront in the future. They often consider them someone to keep away from devotional service. However,that is not Prabhupada's philosophy. Therefore it is WRONG.

Misogynists insist on indisputable position of authoritative power, simultaneously behind closed doors craving to rape wife? Oxymoron. Having taken vows of celibacy, they're breaking those vows in this way. Undergoing no sense of guilt as they're just giving her what she likes, he tells himself. Women are not owned by husband, and they are not husbands slave. Women belong to God and guru, Srila Prabhuapda referred to women as "his daughters."

"Yes, you should be proud of having a nice wife like that. And I have handed over my daughter unto you, because I knew it that you will be the perfect boy to take care of her. Recently she was deteriorating in her health, so I was very much anxious about her, therefore, I decided to give her in your charge." Prabhupada letter, Sept 20, 1968

Any misogynists thinking 'handing over his daughter' means they can do with her whatever they want, from maltreatment to rape, they conviently misunderstanding. Women belong to pure Srila Prabhupada and Krishna who is God. Clearly females are devotees who should be treated as such, wanting to maintain initiation vows she took before fire and Krishna, which grants her eternal connection to God and guru. Husband should not make her break vows or think he owns her. Fallen men are wanting so much sex under guises of polygamy and misogynistic rape. Hypocrisy. Prabhupada did NOT give any instruction to rape wife, but clearly gave the instruction of celibacy.

"Don't be childish, that "Yes, I have promised before spiritual master, before Krishna, before fire. All right, that's all right. Let me break." No, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't lose this opportunity. You are now on the point of deathlessness" Srila Prabhupada Lecture on S. Bhagavatam 1.16.8 -- L.A., Jan 5, 1974

It is comprehensible that someone new, or has not delved into it for purpose of uncovering intent, regarding the quotes or commonets on rape, they may not be so easily understood. Many who've been devotees awhile still struggle with tit. However, those who don't want to abuse it, but get to the truth, stop now to consider the following. Pure deovtees like Jesus who walked on water, or Buddha incarnate with his mysticism, and too Prabhupada's spiriutally with his mystical powers, none of these elevated personalities would advocate rape, it doesn't even make sense. Thus we should next know to dig deeper. To look into it from the humble perspective that we are not fully realized, do not always immediately grasp knowledge expressed by such holy personalities. This is not escuse or denail, as this blogger wants truth. Recognizing I'm not pure devotee, not horrid devotee, in between, merely not level of sage. Thereupon, I must further investigate and find out what was truthfully intended.

Something to be considered is an interesting comparrison where the females mentioned there psychologically having attraction to her raper spouse, they were approximately of teenage years, intelligence not fully developed, sense control including the mind, not yet fully developed. Anyone with a teenager in the house knows they can be strongly driven by hormones and not always use their brains when it comes to making choices. Again not justification, just explanation. (Its also why polygamists want to get their hands on virgin underaged girls, because once matured the spiritual female will figure out his level of degradation.)

In modern times how many young girls have thought, when texted by their boyfriend every couple of hours, or receiving a phone call from him every hour, was love? This is a fact, as there are therapists now working with so many such young girls. Even if their boyfriend raped them, and many admited they were raped by such a boyfriend, often they still reamin in love with him, still thinking his activities are proof of his affection for her. However, chronic checking in on her is not love, it is his selifhness, controlling, manipulation, dishonety, and worry she might be cheating on him because he is cheating on her.

In the past there were not counselors to help the girl out of such confusion, it was common to find her a "qualified" husband, though she did not move into his house even after marriage, until she was older. Even than, part of being qualified as Vaisnava meant he did not engage in sex unless they both wanted to have a baby, with all that entails. Thus not a roll in the hay, especially not rape, even for the married priest. Scripture explains the baby often takes on, or is experiencing some of the consciousness of the parents during conception. Therefore to attract a Godly soul to the womb, there is to be a spiritual atmosphere with specific spiritual preparation. Thus pseudo first class followers of Prabhupada thinking this rape quote as instruction, is absurd!

Another perspective to be considered regarding the verse is it appears to be more related to ancient Vedic societal system known as Varnashraa Dharma, one that finds a place in the world for sudras, kstriyas, vyasyas, and brahmana's. There can be all types of people, all forms, and as time went on, various faiths like Hinduism. (Though Hinduism isn't really an ancient Vedic religion.) In such a system the woman get protection that fallen men do not harm her, which is seldom the way most misogynists intend protection. There's is more often bullying, which is not Vedic.

Therefore some points mentioned in that verse may be explained as related to Varnashramadharma, because Varnashramadharam was about keeping civility, it was for the common people of the world, and not for serious initiated persons. It was revealing lifestyles of the distant past, the generalized system that went along with times of long ago, how some young women felt, and how they were protected during their teenage years. Though teenagers of satya yuga for example, were physically more developed than our teenagers. Mysogynosists are not honoring the differences between young teenage woman of ancient scripture, and young teenage girls of kali yuga.

While Srila Prabhupada explained the process of Varnashramadharma, he also explained that in this kali yuga it can not be properly followed (with but a minor exception probably to give a chance to those who kept asking for it). Instead he was promoting Vaisnavism, which is higher than Varnashramadharma. At that time of the past, should a woman not find a husband, her life became difficult. Some may feel rape of that time, one aspect, and not the only aspect, meant she may have never experienced sex otherwise. Not justifying it, just a thought. Immediately to remind any misogynist readers, Vaisnava women who have taken initiation vows should not be viewed in the same manner as ladies of the past, who fit into many categories. Some were not automatically devotees, we do not at least see them mentioned to be always a devotee. Some were. But it appears this quote is more about keeping a moral society, and not an instruction to the initiated disciple, which would be higher.

"When He (Lord Chaitanya) met Sri Ramananda Raya on the banks of the Godavari, the varnashrama-dharma followed by Hindus was mentioned by the Lord. Sri Ramananda Raya said that by following the principles of varnashrama-dharma and four orders of human life, everyone could realize transcendence. In the opinion of the Lord, the system of varnashrama-dharma is superficial only and it has very little to do with the highest realization of spiritual values." -Srimad Bhagavatam Introduction.

Regarding roles of women described in ancient scripture, lets first look back, not that long ago in western countries, maybe a hundred years past, there still existed a stigma for many women who remained unmarried, considered 'old maid.' No longer is that the case. Now some woman do not want to marry or not until much older and have gotten together her life. While misognyists want to live in the past, Prabhupada lived in the present, as a realist. When a female disciple asked him if she should stay home and servie her husband as the Vedic women of the past did, he replied that no, she should not, but instead to use her skills to preach about Krishna.

Misognyists need to be willing to seek purificaiton and see the whole picture. Too often they want to imitate the lifestyle of the past, which Prabhupada warned against copying artifically. Of tha usually want only woman to follow the strictness of the other yuga's, while they remain rascals and bullies. Men thinking they can now rape or abuse and be considered a first class Vaishnava, are cheaters. There are the cheated, and of those who desire to be cheated. Than there are the truth seekers.

Srila Prabhupada's reply to a disciple:

"Regarding your enemy, Mr. Lust: I have noted the difficulties, but we should always remember that Krishna is stronger than any demon, and Mr. Lust, or his father or his grandfather, nobody can do anything provided we take shelter of Krishna very tightly. Now so far your personal matter is concerned, you are a Brahmacari, you can marry at any time, and in New York, all the nice girls, they are actually very suitable for our students, and I encourage that all the Brahmacaris may be very responsible, and marry one of the girls. Because generally the girls desire good husband and a good home, children, that is their natural propensity, so we want to show some ideal householders also. But the proposal that marriage will solve the question of lust, is not practical.

Neither wife should be accepted as a machine for satisfying our lust. The marriage tie should be taken as very sacred. One who marries for subduing lust is mistaken. Because lust cannot be satisfied simply by indulging in sense gratification. It is compared with that extinguishing the fire with large amount of petrol. For the time being, the fire may appear to be extinguished by pouring a large quantity of petrol, but the petrol itself is so dangerous that at any time, it can be in flame. So to subdue lust is a different process. Then you have to take to Deity worship." Letter, Seattle, Washington , 03 October - 1968

Only low class men refuse to elevate themselves, are attracted to ideas it can be religious to rape wife, not wanting to stretch their brain to uncover real meaning. Rather to set off toward opportunity to rape wife whenever he wants, then to blame Srila Prabhupada through misquotes or partial unclear quotes, for their sex and power attachments. Show one comment where Prabhuapda says to his disciple: "You are good Vaisanva husband if you rape your wife." NOWHERE!

They need to admit, they do not understand Prabhupada, with their mundane brain, and his superior spiritual brain. They are drawn to the muck, and never question themeselves. What happened to guilty conscience when they do something wrong? Appears they have none, always must be right. We wonder if their nerve endings have gone dead to not send the message to their brain rape is not spiritual, and to search out the true meaning. Is the only way some of them can feel be through violent actions, to shake their nerve endings awake?

Msogynists, stop lying. Renounce material sex and power; return to celibacy and surrender to Krishna. If unable, then confess the truth, live life as best as possible, but stop corrupting Prabhupada's movement with your falldown conceptualizations.

"Therefore, our duty is to dovetail our acts with Krsna's desire, not to manufacture an action and then declare: "I am doing this action in Krsna consciousness." We have to be very careful to ascertain whether Krsna actually wants it. Such authorized knowledge is instructed by the representative of Krsna. In our prayers of praise to the spiritual master we are singing daily, "If the spiritual master is satisfied, then God will be satisfied. And if one dissatisfies his spiritual master, then there is no way for him to please God." Science of Self Realization, CHAPTER 8

How many in the Brahma Sampradaya line of purest guru's, like Srila Prabhupada, or Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Goswami, or Bhaktivinode Thakura, all the way back, how many have a reputation for raping? None. Where are quotes to prove they wanted their disciples to rape? Nowhere! Therefore a need to humble the self that we, most everyone who is not pure devotee, accept we not to fully understand the ways of expression of Srila Prabhupada, and he is therefore not approving rape. Its usually men who are all ready rapists, that do not want to see facts of what Prabhupada said here to be more about what was law at the time, or what karmi men or women did at that time, or what was current. Nowhere in accepting devotees that took vows did he ever include rape as acceptable! Celibacy yes, rape no.

Usually men who promote rape quotes and never try to see if they possibly could have misunderstand, are some level of rapist, a crime.

If there still remains confusion over this, for this blooger what is clear, and what is not, this much I am sure of: Prabhupada was not instructing rape, Prabhupada would not talk of these things unless there was a lesson to be learned, some benefit to keep us from the pit falls and assist us some way or other, with relevance to going back to Godhead. Like, watch out for mundane lawyers (there can be spiritual lawyers), and beware that there still are men who like to rape yet take no responsibility for their actions while blaming the woman, and we should watch over a teenager who can't yet make good choices at such a time when hormones rage but they are too young in kali yuga. Conceivably more perspectives can be found. Otherwise I do not see he would have brought it up. We may need to take time to decipher in our more modern language and understanding, but never have read one letter of instruction to a disciple it was ok to rape his wife, or to that wife to surender to rape. Never.

"The institution of varnashrama-dharma is used by selfish men to pose an artificial predominance over the weaker section." -S. Bhagavatam 1:2:13

"Because this human life is meant for God realization. It is not meant for sex enjoyment or sense gratification. It is simply meant for... Here is an opportunity to understand one's constitutional position, that he is spirit soul, and Krishna or the Supreme Lord is also spirit soul. So the spirit soul, individual soul, is part and parcel of Krishna. Therefore it is his duty to remain with the whole." - Srila Prabhupada Lecture, Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.48 - Dallas, July 30, 1975

Devotee means.... http://womeninkrsnaconsciousness.blogspot.com/2010/07/devotee-means.html

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