Sex & Vows, the Hare Krsna Movement

Arguments have been posed from all sides. Some deem it be due to celibacy vows that there's abuse. Give up the vows to fix the Hare Krishna Movement.

Another side insists, polygamy! Many women can get protection by giving sex to good husband.

Some monogomists agree on aspect of giving sex to avoid abuse.

Each extreme contains misunderstandings.

A great deal all ready has been elucidated concerning polygamists. Abridged - they're extremely lusty for sex and power and control; living in that world of lies, showing credit therefore blame to Veda or Prabhupada. Giving polygamists too much attention is as bad as giving none. Too little, no one else tries to correct a thing, leaving others persisting with belief's Prabhuapda is a misogynists & encourages polygamy now. Too much attention - polygamists love - they are attention *hores. That's why the desire for many women surrounding them, serve their upper and lower tongues, must always be present as soon as they snap their fingers.

Next are those speaking to celibacy of the monogmist (marries one woman). Agreed, it is without doubt much child abuse and woman abuse be the result of sexual frustration. What this actually reveals is a problem of pretense. When a devotee pretends to be more than they are, better than they are - it fails. It will escape elsewhere. No hiding allowed by God or even the demi-gods. (Karma gets recorded too.)

A way it reveals itself is physical or verbal beating the object of sex: women and wife.

The other way of its manifestation is beating what would be the result of sex if they could only have it: children. They physically, verbally, even spiritually abuse children because they can't love what they can't have - or think they can't have, or did not come their way the moment they finally desired one, therefore abusing "others" children.

Those who have children but abuse them, do so for many reasons. One as Prabhupada explained, children get in the way of sense gratifcations. Including mental. Children make them think, reflect, or stop what they're doing and serve them (the child). None of what misogynists wish to indulge in much. Its not always fun, its work. Reality check: Fathers who serve children are setting a good example to serve others; and children are a barometer, golden opportunity to see our faults without too much false ego to deal with, then free faults away. However, such men do not want to notice any flaw they have, only others. They're the big family guru, never wrong. (Yet another falsification they make of Prabhupada philosophy.)

Such misogynists do not much see persons or personalism, chiefly they see objects. They likely have feelings which are skyrocketing, pushings they have little control over, including emotional. They often don't recognize it as presence, because of his pretense. When a wall must be held up, it requires much time & energy, can be exhaustive, with no vitality or honesty left to move freely ahead toward truth. The burdon is heavy, but false ego strong.

Some preach: for the Hare Krishna Movement to become successful once more, to bring in new members, to inspire old ones or get them active again, these vows must be changed.

Buddhists monks recognize they have taken vows to remain celibate. There are others who take vows never to marry and remain celibate. Devotees are full-fledged intelligent adults when taking such vows, know what they're doing, many ran after it with a ferver. Moreoever, the Hare Krsna Movement is one of the few that allow priests marriage. Simply not to take advantage. Marriage is not to live like karmi again under religious disguise. Prabhupada said marriage is not a license for sense gratificaiton. If someone can't do like that, what is the difficulty? Just don't do vows part (iniatiaton) and continue devotional practices.

If a reader has a hard time with any of this, try to understand its for, and about, discpiples. That guru is willing to suffer great sickness and other pains by taking much karma away from the disciple and into himself.

Prabhupada indeed has taken much of our karma and still does, for the purpose of saving the devotees. If unwanting to follow his instructions, why not step down? No need to give up worship and chanting of Krishna. Become a FOLK member and still worship Krishna. Chant japa anywhere, any time. Listen to CD kirtanas, or visit temples.

To use pretense to either go wild after polygamy and lording it over, or for others to dismiss higher understanding as only way for sex control over mind, body, senses as through the higher pleasure of Krishna, these misunderstanding or pretense merely results in circular debates. The monogmistic true grhasta (good householder) is to think of Krishna all day long or as much as possible. Then only, can sex desire cease. Whereas the grhamati (bad householder) thinks of polygamy, or sex and power all day.

And THAT is the reason abuse happens. The unwillingness to follow Prabhupada's instructions yet insist on initiation, putting on a good game of pretending, trying to pass off anartha's as normal.

The solution is not to lower the standards Prabhupada has set, but for the devotee to admit when they can't follow them, then do not ask for initiation. Work toward getting to the right stage before requesting initiation and taking vows of celibacy, rather than faking it.

Factually those who are wanting of sex, stopped meditating on the bliss of Krishna. Nobody can merely renounce. Such a pleasure must be replaced with a better pleasure. Many initiates have stopped doing like that, gradually discontinued replacing material pleasures with higher pleasures Krishna offers. Then wonder why their urge to merge has become exceedingly strong. Time to get back to basics.

While true that sexual abuse of women, children - and other forms of abuse of women and children, are due to male sexual frustrations, there are men just as frustrated who do "not" beat women or children. Therefore, why the other men are abusive?

Causes vary. From emotinal instability to entitlement; normality to abuse in their karmi home to molested by rabbi or priest. A great deal of anger and resentment, not knowing where to put it. However, largest reason? They choose to dishonestly follow Prabhupada and to maintain that dishonesty.

The following gets recognition because those who trhtufully do as Prabhupada instructs become cleansed and mended; then benedicted to give up the desire for sex all together. This is reported less since the rise of abuse exploiting Prabhupada's Movement. However, recovery and advancing has been seen. Not lip service, rather actual experiences and evidences.

The goal is to put all attention and energy on Krishna's blissful three-fold bending form, get out of the material world of repeated birth and death, live in blissfull happiness beyond anyones imagination, as it far surpasses anything we have in this earthly world. We don't have to die and go to heaven before we get a taste of it. By genuine practice of Krishna Consciousness any can have sublime experiences now.

Its difficult for many to understand the existance of a pleasere that can be more pleasureable then sex. It does exist. If somone doesn't want to apply themselves in this way anymore, simply renounce initiation too. Continue worship of Krishna. There's always possibilities. Merely, those who are blaming sex abuse on Prabhupada, misunderstand at best.

Sexual abuse is always due to liars, in and outside the Movement. Since when do sex abusers tell the truth, wear red flags, or warn they hold belief they have this as a right; additionally reveal they're usually abusive in many other ways too? Never. They lie, they cheat, and use anything they can think of to hide. Including schemes to give devotees the impression they're kind (hence wouldn't want to hurt their feelings & correct their philosophy), and authorities to think they are spiritually accurate.

Not referencing to child sexual abuse, another matter for another day. ADULTS. Grown-ups can be tricked, not to think we are above it. Therefore, misogynists and polygamists work to groom even the adult into believing they are so kind they'd never hurt a fly. This nature of the sex abusers has less to do with the Hare Krishna movement and more with the age of Kali.

Alhough it has a lot to do with the outcome in the Movement, the contamination, if authorities or strong devotees sit back and do nothing. In the past they've sometimes taken action, sometimes not. More often it's by popular demands, and proof Prabhupada's instructed opposite, when they will step up.

Everyone has a responsibility. We can't complain authorities do nothing if we do nothing. Small venture's fine, its something. Lodge a complaint to someone with power and will listen, post something somewhere, write a snail mail letter if you can (they stand out these days), do something else, talk about it.

Let not history repeat where all reamin silent. Again change or no change will be in relationship to what the populace insists upon, only then do authorities take a drop of action. Big or small, don't be quiet, make those whose responsibility it is to correct this mess, get off their laurals and simply correct it. If they don't, than "this" is the real reason our society will become degraded. Ignore abuse, you get temples and various communities filling up with abusers. A ripe marketplace, good for the pickings. Make friends with other abusers. Network.

This doesn't have to be, only will it should those in power do nothing.

Abuse, and many other such problems, are not the Krishna Conscious philosophy. Just can't imagine Prabhupada pleased about these activities. Therefore as you read or hear, take the time to pick out what is their nonsense, and what is genuine. Never give up Krishna. They misrepresent Him. Krishna gives bliss, protection, happiness, boundaries, genine spiritual enlivenment.

White Supremacy, Male Superiority, Slavery-
http://womeninkrsnaconsciousness.blogspot.com/2010/06/white-supremists-male-superiority.html

Wife likes Rape?

Have read some devotees strongly can not understand why other devotees accept every word of Prabhuapda unconditionally. Especially when there be a few, though only a few, like this topic. What they're unaware of, those other devotees know scripture to explain that a spiritual master need not be perfect in "material knowledge" in order to be perfect in spiritual knowledge.

Neophytes tend to be too inflexiable regarding material subjects. With calm maturity, the devotees faith grows, becoming less intereted in the material ideas, and aspires for the spiritual knowledge. Material knowledge can be obtained elsewhere. Srila Prabhupada did not venture as our dentist or doctor, except with a little practical advice of the times which we could take or leave. However, it be his high spiritual position that was perfect and unquestionable for the initiated disciple. Don't feel that way? Then don't take initiation.

When first learning of that rape quote, I became as startled over it as anyone. Its still not my favorite, but necessitates answers.

Actually many answers have been given: Culture has its effect, where one grew up, type of village katha, University attended, how language was taught than, all of these may have carried diverse meanings.

Additional concepts now cibsudered.

Rape may not have meant rape in the same exact context most who do not live in India understand it. This rape of "wife" may now go by a modern vernacular: "Rough Sex." Devotee women are different. Prabhupada explained on many occasions, he was not referring to devotee women, rather materialistic women. Additionally, his humble speech in the Butler church showing respect to all there including women, appears such quotes do not apply to women who are overall spiritual. The rape statement was subject matter not of male sexuality, but women. Had the subject switched to men - while can't put words in Prabhupada's mouth, reality of what we see is men like it. Our philosophy is that everyone's lusty in the material world. Karmi men often try to persuade the wife to dress up in a nurse or maid costume. Role playing. Devotee men should never do like that, simply the desire is there. Rough sex is the next best thing. Men are no exception to liking it.

"But the present age of kali is full of ignorant men. Even those who are born by a brahmana father are, in the present age, no better than the sudra or the women. " SB 1.3. 21

It is not by birth, or by material body, someone is good devotee. It is through actions. Misogynists make clever attempts to confuse, claim he's performing his duty to wife by indulging her in rough sex, because she must like it. REALITY: A) Most devotee women abhor rough sex, are more often offended by it. B) Usually it's fallen men in kali-yuga attracted to rape wife. From reasons of sex, to reasons of violence, and power. C) Prabhupada was not giving an instruction to go home and rape the wife! Never. He was speaking on materialism.

Have recently read about old dictionaries (such as Websters of 1893) holding different meanings to the word 'rape' as opposed to how its used today. To even include in the definition: "friutive," and too: “taking anything — including a woman — away by force” However it also included sexual rape, a definition that seems to have become rougher over the centuries. We've seen some recent changes in dictionaries which many do not like, yet they were made. Most likely when Prabhupada attended University, these older dictionaries, as well as encyclopedias, were what he was given to study from. This of course is not where this topic ends, just worty of attention.

ADDITIONAL-Another point be, the subject matter from the conversation was regarding law and a rape victim, alleging the lawyer of the rapist was clever (sneakily) as in asking the victim if there was even a drop of pleasure. Perchance consequences of her honesty, she replied yes, then the lawyer won the case, back than. It was not justification as rightness, no, only explaining due to biology, the law worked the way it did at that time.

In more recent times regarding child molestation, the child feeling guilty due to feeling some pleasure duing their rape, it has been explained it was not their fault they felt any pleasure. Merely because someone stimualtes such nerve endings of one who does not want it, has some nerve critcizing them for enjoying it when they did not want to enjoy with them!

Even if a grown woman of rape ejoyed a drop of pleasure due to her biology, its not choice, does not make it acceptable. I believe this is what Prabhupada was also getting at, how ridiculous the lawyer was. We do not see Prabhupada, like Rajnesh, encouraging rape. Once read a letter, can't find now, from Malati devi dasi. Her godsister was raped by man who climbed into the ashram window. The woman was horrified. Malati wrote to Srila Prabhuapda after it happened, and what type of letter does anyone think he sent back? That she enjoyed the rape, therefore its her fault too? Nonsense! His letter was one of deep compasstion, understanding, and encouragment. Now that is the truth how Prabhupada believes about rape, not these other slantings.

Its necessary to develop a little understanding of the manner in which Srila Prabhupada spoke, as this is often a problem we see in many conversations. Prabhupada will say something, then devotees will assume he meant something bad, then if they question him, they find out it not to be what he meant at all. Principally, why misogynists love this rape comment so extremely, making sure to publish it all about the internet, when Prabhupada has endless other quotes on celibacy and giving up sex as much more important?

"So actually, married couples should be paramahamsas. Paramahamsa means the topmost stage of sannyasi. Paramahamsa. A sannyasi has got four stages: kuticaka, bahudaka, parivrajakacarya and paramahamsa. .... It doesn't matter whether a grhastha, vanaprastha, sannyasi. It doesn't matter. So when he preaches all over the world, that is called parivrajakacarya. And when he's experienced, he executes the work by his assistants. That is called paramahamsa. So grhasthas are supposed to be paramahamsa." - Sri Vyasa-puja lecture, London, Augt 22, 73

Recently a devotee questioned, what is bad preaching exactly? Who are we preaching to? That karmis don't show much interest in what we say about this, so we are preaching about this to DEVOTEES.

Many misunderstandings he makes here, start with mistake of thinking he understands the rape quote, suggesting devotees should surrender to the idea of rape of wife, when that is not clear understanding at all. Tthough probably what anyone who speaks like this desires to be able to get away with yet still go back to Godhead.

Another mistake he makes is not understanding karmis indeed care, not to look down his nose at them. Preaching to them is how they become devotees. Their opinion matters, especially since Prabhuapda's movement is to be in accordance with Lord Caitanya instructions to give Krishna to every town and village, and not a movement for rape or other excessive sense gratification, for some anyway.

Though many such misognynists do not want that brand of karmis to become devotees, considering them trouble, inferior, a problem they (misogynists) will have to confront in the future. They often consider them someone to keep away from devotional service. However,that is not Prabhupada's philosophy. Therefore it is WRONG.

Misogynists insist on indisputable position of authoritative power, simultaneously behind closed doors craving to rape wife? Oxymoron. Having taken vows of celibacy, they're breaking those vows in this way. Undergoing no sense of guilt as they're just giving her what she likes, he tells himself. Women are not owned by husband, and they are not husbands slave. Women belong to God and guru, Srila Prabhuapda referred to women as "his daughters."

"Yes, you should be proud of having a nice wife like that. And I have handed over my daughter unto you, because I knew it that you will be the perfect boy to take care of her. Recently she was deteriorating in her health, so I was very much anxious about her, therefore, I decided to give her in your charge." Prabhupada letter, Sept 20, 1968

Any misogynists thinking 'handing over his daughter' means they can do with her whatever they want, from maltreatment to rape, they conviently misunderstanding. Women belong to pure Srila Prabhupada and Krishna who is God. Clearly females are devotees who should be treated as such, wanting to maintain initiation vows she took before fire and Krishna, which grants her eternal connection to God and guru. Husband should not make her break vows or think he owns her. Fallen men are wanting so much sex under guises of polygamy and misogynistic rape. Hypocrisy. Prabhupada did NOT give any instruction to rape wife, but clearly gave the instruction of celibacy.

"Don't be childish, that "Yes, I have promised before spiritual master, before Krishna, before fire. All right, that's all right. Let me break." No, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't lose this opportunity. You are now on the point of deathlessness" Srila Prabhupada Lecture on S. Bhagavatam 1.16.8 -- L.A., Jan 5, 1974

It is comprehensible that someone new, or has not delved into it for purpose of uncovering intent, regarding the quotes or commonets on rape, they may not be so easily understood. Many who've been devotees awhile still struggle with tit. However, those who don't want to abuse it, but get to the truth, stop now to consider the following. Pure deovtees like Jesus who walked on water, or Buddha incarnate with his mysticism, and too Prabhupada's spiriutally with his mystical powers, none of these elevated personalities would advocate rape, it doesn't even make sense. Thus we should next know to dig deeper. To look into it from the humble perspective that we are not fully realized, do not always immediately grasp knowledge expressed by such holy personalities. This is not escuse or denail, as this blogger wants truth. Recognizing I'm not pure devotee, not horrid devotee, in between, merely not level of sage. Thereupon, I must further investigate and find out what was truthfully intended.

Something to be considered is an interesting comparrison where the females mentioned there psychologically having attraction to her raper spouse, they were approximately of teenage years, intelligence not fully developed, sense control including the mind, not yet fully developed. Anyone with a teenager in the house knows they can be strongly driven by hormones and not always use their brains when it comes to making choices. Again not justification, just explanation. (Its also why polygamists want to get their hands on virgin underaged girls, because once matured the spiritual female will figure out his level of degradation.)

In modern times how many young girls have thought, when texted by their boyfriend every couple of hours, or receiving a phone call from him every hour, was love? This is a fact, as there are therapists now working with so many such young girls. Even if their boyfriend raped them, and many admited they were raped by such a boyfriend, often they still reamin in love with him, still thinking his activities are proof of his affection for her. However, chronic checking in on her is not love, it is his selifhness, controlling, manipulation, dishonety, and worry she might be cheating on him because he is cheating on her.

In the past there were not counselors to help the girl out of such confusion, it was common to find her a "qualified" husband, though she did not move into his house even after marriage, until she was older. Even than, part of being qualified as Vaisnava meant he did not engage in sex unless they both wanted to have a baby, with all that entails. Thus not a roll in the hay, especially not rape, even for the married priest. Scripture explains the baby often takes on, or is experiencing some of the consciousness of the parents during conception. Therefore to attract a Godly soul to the womb, there is to be a spiritual atmosphere with specific spiritual preparation. Thus pseudo first class followers of Prabhupada thinking this rape quote as instruction, is absurd!

Another perspective to be considered regarding the verse is it appears to be more related to ancient Vedic societal system known as Varnashraa Dharma, one that finds a place in the world for sudras, kstriyas, vyasyas, and brahmana's. There can be all types of people, all forms, and as time went on, various faiths like Hinduism. (Though Hinduism isn't really an ancient Vedic religion.) In such a system the woman get protection that fallen men do not harm her, which is seldom the way most misogynists intend protection. There's is more often bullying, which is not Vedic.

Therefore some points mentioned in that verse may be explained as related to Varnashramadharma, because Varnashramadharam was about keeping civility, it was for the common people of the world, and not for serious initiated persons. It was revealing lifestyles of the distant past, the generalized system that went along with times of long ago, how some young women felt, and how they were protected during their teenage years. Though teenagers of satya yuga for example, were physically more developed than our teenagers. Mysogynosists are not honoring the differences between young teenage woman of ancient scripture, and young teenage girls of kali yuga.

While Srila Prabhupada explained the process of Varnashramadharma, he also explained that in this kali yuga it can not be properly followed (with but a minor exception probably to give a chance to those who kept asking for it). Instead he was promoting Vaisnavism, which is higher than Varnashramadharma. At that time of the past, should a woman not find a husband, her life became difficult. Some may feel rape of that time, one aspect, and not the only aspect, meant she may have never experienced sex otherwise. Not justifying it, just a thought. Immediately to remind any misogynist readers, Vaisnava women who have taken initiation vows should not be viewed in the same manner as ladies of the past, who fit into many categories. Some were not automatically devotees, we do not at least see them mentioned to be always a devotee. Some were. But it appears this quote is more about keeping a moral society, and not an instruction to the initiated disciple, which would be higher.

"When He (Lord Chaitanya) met Sri Ramananda Raya on the banks of the Godavari, the varnashrama-dharma followed by Hindus was mentioned by the Lord. Sri Ramananda Raya said that by following the principles of varnashrama-dharma and four orders of human life, everyone could realize transcendence. In the opinion of the Lord, the system of varnashrama-dharma is superficial only and it has very little to do with the highest realization of spiritual values." -Srimad Bhagavatam Introduction.

Regarding roles of women described in ancient scripture, lets first look back, not that long ago in western countries, maybe a hundred years past, there still existed a stigma for many women who remained unmarried, considered 'old maid.' No longer is that the case. Now some woman do not want to marry or not until much older and have gotten together her life. While misognyists want to live in the past, Prabhupada lived in the present, as a realist. When a female disciple asked him if she should stay home and servie her husband as the Vedic women of the past did, he replied that no, she should not, but instead to use her skills to preach about Krishna.

Misognyists need to be willing to seek purificaiton and see the whole picture. Too often they want to imitate the lifestyle of the past, which Prabhupada warned against copying artifically. Of tha usually want only woman to follow the strictness of the other yuga's, while they remain rascals and bullies. Men thinking they can now rape or abuse and be considered a first class Vaishnava, are cheaters. There are the cheated, and of those who desire to be cheated. Than there are the truth seekers.

Srila Prabhupada's reply to a disciple:

"Regarding your enemy, Mr. Lust: I have noted the difficulties, but we should always remember that Krishna is stronger than any demon, and Mr. Lust, or his father or his grandfather, nobody can do anything provided we take shelter of Krishna very tightly. Now so far your personal matter is concerned, you are a Brahmacari, you can marry at any time, and in New York, all the nice girls, they are actually very suitable for our students, and I encourage that all the Brahmacaris may be very responsible, and marry one of the girls. Because generally the girls desire good husband and a good home, children, that is their natural propensity, so we want to show some ideal householders also. But the proposal that marriage will solve the question of lust, is not practical.

Neither wife should be accepted as a machine for satisfying our lust. The marriage tie should be taken as very sacred. One who marries for subduing lust is mistaken. Because lust cannot be satisfied simply by indulging in sense gratification. It is compared with that extinguishing the fire with large amount of petrol. For the time being, the fire may appear to be extinguished by pouring a large quantity of petrol, but the petrol itself is so dangerous that at any time, it can be in flame. So to subdue lust is a different process. Then you have to take to Deity worship." Letter, Seattle, Washington , 03 October - 1968

Only low class men refuse to elevate themselves, are attracted to ideas it can be religious to rape wife, not wanting to stretch their brain to uncover real meaning. Rather to set off toward opportunity to rape wife whenever he wants, then to blame Srila Prabhupada through misquotes or partial unclear quotes, for their sex and power attachments. Show one comment where Prabhuapda says to his disciple: "You are good Vaisanva husband if you rape your wife." NOWHERE!

They need to admit, they do not understand Prabhupada, with their mundane brain, and his superior spiritual brain. They are drawn to the muck, and never question themeselves. What happened to guilty conscience when they do something wrong? Appears they have none, always must be right. We wonder if their nerve endings have gone dead to not send the message to their brain rape is not spiritual, and to search out the true meaning. Is the only way some of them can feel be through violent actions, to shake their nerve endings awake?

Msogynists, stop lying. Renounce material sex and power; return to celibacy and surrender to Krishna. If unable, then confess the truth, live life as best as possible, but stop corrupting Prabhupada's movement with your falldown conceptualizations.

"Therefore, our duty is to dovetail our acts with Krsna's desire, not to manufacture an action and then declare: "I am doing this action in Krsna consciousness." We have to be very careful to ascertain whether Krsna actually wants it. Such authorized knowledge is instructed by the representative of Krsna. In our prayers of praise to the spiritual master we are singing daily, "If the spiritual master is satisfied, then God will be satisfied. And if one dissatisfies his spiritual master, then there is no way for him to please God." Science of Self Realization, CHAPTER 8

How many in the Brahma Sampradaya line of purest guru's, like Srila Prabhupada, or Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Goswami, or Bhaktivinode Thakura, all the way back, how many have a reputation for raping? None. Where are quotes to prove they wanted their disciples to rape? Nowhere! Therefore a need to humble the self that we, most everyone who is not pure devotee, accept we not to fully understand the ways of expression of Srila Prabhupada, and he is therefore not approving rape. Its usually men who are all ready rapists, that do not want to see facts of what Prabhupada said here to be more about what was law at the time, or what karmi men or women did at that time, or what was current. Nowhere in accepting devotees that took vows did he ever include rape as acceptable! Celibacy yes, rape no.

Usually men who promote rape quotes and never try to see if they possibly could have misunderstand, are some level of rapist, a crime.

If there still remains confusion over this, for this blooger what is clear, and what is not, this much I am sure of: Prabhupada was not instructing rape, Prabhupada would not talk of these things unless there was a lesson to be learned, some benefit to keep us from the pit falls and assist us some way or other, with relevance to going back to Godhead. Like, watch out for mundane lawyers (there can be spiritual lawyers), and beware that there still are men who like to rape yet take no responsibility for their actions while blaming the woman, and we should watch over a teenager who can't yet make good choices at such a time when hormones rage but they are too young in kali yuga. Conceivably more perspectives can be found. Otherwise I do not see he would have brought it up. We may need to take time to decipher in our more modern language and understanding, but never have read one letter of instruction to a disciple it was ok to rape his wife, or to that wife to surender to rape. Never.

"The institution of varnashrama-dharma is used by selfish men to pose an artificial predominance over the weaker section." -S. Bhagavatam 1:2:13

"Because this human life is meant for God realization. It is not meant for sex enjoyment or sense gratification. It is simply meant for... Here is an opportunity to understand one's constitutional position, that he is spirit soul, and Krishna or the Supreme Lord is also spirit soul. So the spirit soul, individual soul, is part and parcel of Krishna. Therefore it is his duty to remain with the whole." - Srila Prabhupada Lecture, Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.48 - Dallas, July 30, 1975

Devotee means.... http://womeninkrsnaconsciousness.blogspot.com/2010/07/devotee-means.html

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MORALITY

Amongst misogynists some are polygamists. Most have organized or joined what's now known as the GHQ ('General' 'Headquarters.') The Bible, and many other scriptures, also incorporate polygamy, and we understand it is of the past. In Krishna Consciousness it is also of the past.

All devotee men, when in their youthful hope and zealousness of going back to Godhead, one wife was considered an austerity and evaded as long as possible, with brahmacarya pursued intensely. That wasn't belittlement of women, just commitment to spiritual life as a priest, all attention on Krsna. Likewise, brahmacarini's (women nun's) did the same, and it was highly rewarding.

Seems now as certain men age, the older they get, the less spiritual they became, increasing materialism. Frankly, wanting massive pleasures they previously took solemn vows against. Currently no longer renouncing sensual pleasures of mind and body. Enjoying in these material ways rather than stick to vows that resulted in great joy in Krishna.

"We have actually seen, especially in the Western countries, that men who have reached more than eighty years of age still go to nightclubs and pay heavy fees to drink wine and associate with women. Although such men are too old to enjoy anything, their desires have not ceased." SB 9.19.16

Strangely polygamists proclaim this verse not be relevant to them because they do not go to nightclubs. None, their behavior is exact same. While this writer can never be in agreement with polygamy, at least if they were honest its resultant from their impure desires, as opposed to coming from their exalted spiritual position, it would be less of a disturbance to our society. Dishonesty here means dishonesty elsewhere. Not trustworthy.

"A person should be so nicely trained up that the one wife with religious ceremony, by performing religious ceremony, is given to him, he should be satisfied with her, not to see other women, adulteration. This is Kali-yuga." S. Bhagavatam class, 1974

"Tapasya begins with brahmacarya, life of celibacy, or
accepting one wife only. That's all." Srila Prabhupada, 1976

It is but a common point made by polygamist “initiated disciples” that women who do not follow their spiritual understandings are but *hores, believing to be saving the world from such *hores by marrying them. They point out social importance of marrying more then one woman will keep society safe and pure from woman sexual wanderings. They consider themselves as the only correct followers of Srila Prabhupada.

REALITY: Where did Prabhupada state his purpose of global travel and opening temples, be morality? He began the world wide Hare Krishna Movement to reveal otherwise unseen by us, opportunities to reutrn back to Godhead, it was for development of worship and service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, stoppage of repeated birth or death - bringing all devotees on to Krishnaloka. Morality is an automatic benefit. No extra endeavor is required by human overseer men. Guru Prabhupada accepted women disciples with the same vows and seriousness of male disciples.

Historically within the movement there have been more men racing after sex, then the women.

Currently, their claims are that of saving women from sexual falldowns, promiscuity, and immorality.

Falsehood.

Men like this are following the movements typical history of those who deviated in the past. They are not special. Fallen men who no longer want to follow the right way, while claiming to be good devotee - has gone on forever.

"According to scriptural injunctions, one is forbidden to engage with any woman other than ones wife. All other women are to be considered as one's mother. But in spite of such injunctions, a man is still inclined to have sex relationships with other women. " BG 3. 34

The reverse can happen of women causing trouble. Its revealed misogynists belittlement of women; but also her own inner strength, women --not so much trouble as they'd like everyone to believe. Women apply effort to stay on their best behavior, controlling mind and senses. Leaving initiated polygamistic man retaining lust, where?

Men who complain "*hore" are revealing:

"You're rejecting me, won't have sex with me, I am so great, more advanced than young boys, other men don't follow as well as I do, why you do not want me? You are nothing but a *hore!"

They deny this they believe. It remains a truth. Be it inability to sustain control over woman at all times, or his personal rejection, insecurities; its evident his consciousness is depressing, yet mean.

Some "vow taking monks" want sex with 'virgin' girls, while remaining honored as spiritually advanced men -concurrently. Their soul can not be very full, chasing after the most intense forms of pleasure in attempts to fill it. However, they all ready have the process, simply unwilling to apply it and be happy again.

"A man who possesses a good wife does not create a disturbance in society by corrupting virgin girls. Without a fixed wife, a man becomes a debauchee of the first order and is a nuisance in society" - S. Bhagavatam 3.14.20, P

To indulge in such things, they joined wrong religion. There's others where they could mask themselves as priestly yet have such sex, but not this one. To do so is a farce. Any body with a grain of brain cells, sees through them. Their transparency is more obvious then they’re aware.

"It is clearly visible that when a neophyte in Krishna consciousness eats too much, he falls down. Instead of being elevated to pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he becomes attracted by Cupid. The so-called brahmacārī becomes agitated by women, and the vānaprastha may again become captivated into having sex with his wife. Or he may begin to search out another wife." SB 4.26.13

Shall they view themselves as grandiose and above neophyte, they are sorely mistaken.

When explained to one devotee man that, "*hore calling" as going on regarding the female devotees, he was startled. Subsequently replied: "Then those men are *hore-MONGERS."

"Finally, this verse states that in the age of Kali a man will become known as a priest, or brahmana, merely by wearing ceremonial dress. In India, brahmanas wear a sacred thread, and in other parts of world members of the priestly class have other ornaments and symbols. But in the age of Kali the symbols alone will suffice to establish a person as a religious leader, despite his ignorance of God." -Bhagavatam 12.2.4

These men are making a bad reputation for themselves. They are making a bad reputation for innocent men.

Internet readers who don't understand (the credit thus blame polygamists grant Prabhupada for their bad behavior), hence polygamists are generating poor reputation in those persons about Srila Prabhupada.

May the misogonystic polygamists give up their lusty ways, cleanse the heart of dirty things, and honestly return to keeping the vows of a lifestyle they once promised their guru, and relished in.

"One cannot enter into the kingdom of God unless one is perfectly cleared of all sins. The material sins are products of our desires to lord it over material nature. It is very difficult to get rid of such desires. Women and wealth are very difficult problems for the devotee making progress on the path back to Godhead. Many stalwarts in the devotional line fell victim to these allurements and thus retreated from the path of liberation. But when one is helped by the Lord Himself, the whole process becomes as easy as anything by the divine grace of the Lord." Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.17

Nectar follows-

"Dear Tulasi, please bestow your mercy upon me, so that I may forever reside in Vrindavana." "Vrindavana is completely under Vrinda-devi's grace." Without the mercy of Vrinda-devi it is not possible to enter into the confidential pastimes of Radha and Krsna, not even as a listener in an audience."